Attawapiskat chief goes on hunger strike

[petros]

I don't think you'll find that these protests have the support of a unified Nation.

That is a big part of the problem, there isn't a system of governance that covers everyone equally.

There won't be unity until there is equality straight across the board.

Trying to get Chiefs to agree on something within a Tribal Council can be like herding cats.

Now I see them trying to by-pass Tribal Councils and go it alone?

 

[CDNBear]

If I lose my job, I get less than a year of EI benefits, then I can make a claim for social assistance. Social assistance is not much. I would stay alive, probably with the help of charities and food banks, but everything that I have would slowly deteriorate around me until eventually I would have nothing.

That would suck.

Did you give the company the bulk of a land base and all its resources to exploit, with a contract providing for your welfare for time immemorial?

But if my goal is to preserve my lifestyle, then I have a choice to find another job, or move to another part of Canada to find another job.

Good for you.

Do any of these same principles apply to someone on a reservation?

No and yes.

Does that dissolve the contracts?

No.

Happy job hunting.

 

[JamesBondo]

I heard that there were a few agreements made where rights were signed away for as little as a bottle of whiskey. And, I heard those agreements were dissolved.

Does anyone have a link about this?

 

[CDNBear]

I heard that there were a few agreements made where rights were signed away for as little as a bottle of whiskey. And, I heard those agreements were dissolved.

Does anyone have a link about this?

Probably not, myths don't stand up to fact checking.

 

[JamesBondo]

That would suck.

Did you give the company the bulk of a land base and all its resources to exploit, with a contract providing for your welfare for time immemorial?

True, the crown land which they claim belongs to me doesn't really belong to me,

and it sure does get exploited. Not all of the exploiting is bad, it has built roads, schools, bridges, hospitals, etc.

And, yes, as a citizen I am entitled to welfare for time immemorial.

 

[CDNBear]

True, the crown land which they claim belongs to me doesn't really belong to me, and it sure does get exploited.

Do you live on contested land?

Not all of the exploiting is bad, it has built roads, schools, bridges, hospitals, etc.

Not in argument.

And, yes, as a citizen I am entitled to welfare for time immemorial.

Cool.

Than what's your beef?

 

[SLM]

I heard that there were a few agreements made where rights were signed away for as little as a bottle of whiskey. And, I heard those agreements were dissolved.

Does anyone have a link about this?

So you "heard it", you're perpetuating this this thing you "heard" by repeating it, but can't be bothered to find out for yourself whether the statement you're making has any merit?

 

[petros]

There are lots of myths around. My favourite is a guy on the Rez cutting a hole through the exterior bathroom wall to water horses from the bath tub.

 

[CDNBear]

So you "heard it", you're perpetuating this this thing you "heard" by repeating it, but can't be bothered to find out for yourself whether the statement you're making has any merit?

What do facts have to do with perpetuating myths and stereotyping?

 

[SLM]

What do facts have to do with perpetuating myths and stereotyping?

Exactly.

 

[petros]

What do facts have to do with perpetuating myths and stereotyping?

Sometimes there is an uncanny truth to some of the stereotypes.

A few years back when going to school in Saskatoon I drove my friend down to the park on treaty day to pick up her $5. The line-up for the $5 was fairly long but not as long as the line-up to get the $5 3 piece meal from the KFC truck parked across the street.

 

[JamesBondo]

The fact is I did hear it, and I wasn't so "myth perpetuating" to insist that it was true hence I asked if anyone had a link about it. I also just checked for myself and could not find anything anywhere on it.

 

[CDNBear]

Sometimes there is an uncanny truth to some of the stereotypes.

A few years back when going to school in Saskatoon I drove my friend down to the park on treaty day to pick up her $5. The line-up for the $5 was fairly long but not as long as the line-up to get the $5 3 piece meal from the KFC truck parked across the street.

I thought it was just unsophisticated negro's that dig'd fried chicken.

The sophisticated ones dig chicken cordon bleu.

The fact is I did hear it, and I wasn't so "myth perpetuating" to insist that it was true hence I asked if anyone had a link about it. I also just checked for myself and could not find anything anywhere on it.

Cool. so you answered your own question.

You heard wrong.

Awesome.

Now if only you could see how so many of your other posts contained erroneous nonsense, we`d get along great.

 

[SLM]

The fact is I did hear it, and I wasn't so "myth perpetuating" to insist that it was true hence I asked if anyone had a link about it. I also just checked for myself and could not find anything anywhere on it.

If that's the case then read it in context of the conversation. Please.

In the midst of countering against the legitimacy of treaties as contracts you brought up what is rather easily identifiable as a stereotype having to do with the signing of the treaties.

It reads as 'baiting'.

 

[JamesBondo]

lol - the erroneous nonsense was just describing what it is like for a white man canadian. sorry to offend your sensibilities but i did ask open ended questions that you could have taken as an opportunity to educate me.

 

[gerryh]

If that's the case then read it in context of the conversation. Please.

In the midst of countering against the legitimacy of treaties as contracts you brought up what is rather easily identifiable as a stereotype having to do with the signing of the treaties.

It reads as 'baiting'.

Sorry SLM... Hit the wrong f'n button. That should have been a thumbs up.

 

[JamesBondo]

If that's the case then read it in context of the conversation. Please.

In the midst of countering against the legitimacy of treaties as contracts you brought up what is rather easily identifiable as a stereotype having to do with the signing of the treaties.

It reads as 'baiting'.

not really the point I was making. I was just suggesting that IF some treaties can be over turned, then others could, too.

 

[CDNBear]

lol - the erroneous nonsense was just describing what it is like for a white man canadian.

There's that stereotyping.

I know lots of 'white man canadians' that completely disagree with you.

sorry to offend your sensibilities but i did ask open ended questions that you could have taken as an opportunity to educate me.

No offense here.

As a Native I've been use to the stereotypes and myths for quite sometime.

Thankfully I know it's only a few uneducated 'white man canadians' that still hang on to them, and am therefore unwilling to paint all 'white man canadians with the same brush.

not really the point I was making. I was just suggesting that IF some treaties can be over turned, then others could, too.

Just because an individual could opt out, as a matter of cultural genocide, doesn't negate the validity of any treaty.

Many Natives came home from both world wars and signed away their treaty rights for land or an education. While the 'white man canadians' weren't forced to make such concessions for the same benefits.

 

[JamesBondo]

I find it puzzling that anyone would disagree with the paragraphs where I wrote about 'if I lost my job...'. I thought they were both reasonable and accurate.

 

[taxslave]

Funny thing about holding the purse-strings.... Generally allows you to make the rules

Except in PC Canada