Attawapiskat chief goes on hunger strike

petros

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and yet, Atleo went to her along with a few other AFN reps. Oh ya, they just hate her, don't they.
They already had a meeting scheduled with Harper. Why would they need her to pretend she is starving to death to get a meeting they already had booked?
 

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She looks thinner to me.

I have to say that she looks thinner in the lower picture. [The older one]

I don't hate her, but consider her a less than credible representative of her people. This act of protest is nothing short of a media stunt used to deflect from her obvious shortcomings.

Any other First Nations Leader would have gained my attention at the very least had they not been at the center of a very controversial media expose in the past.
 

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They already had a meeting scheduled with Harper. Why would they need her to pretend she is starving to death to get a meeting they already had booked?


no they didn't. The jan 24 meeting was just requested by the AFN on jan 1 2013.
 

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Hmmmmmmmmmmm Idle No More. How about Work for your own money. I'm sick and tired of hearing that the natives are soooooooooooo hard done by. Do you want to know how much I pay in taxes in a year? I'm sure not seeing any value for the money that comes out of my cheques. Theresa Spence needs to give her head a shake. Sure the housing is in a very sad state... but explain how she gets paid as much as she does and yet her own people don't have a decent roof over their head? Time for some accountability. Open books to INDEPENDANT AUDITORS. You want my money... I want to know where its going. Show me some value for my tax dollars. I'm so sick and tired of this whole treaty rights crap.... Its time WE as CANADIANS started to take a stand and tell these natives.... If you want Treaty Money, You MUST BE ON THE RESERVE to get it. As for the Chiefs and Band Councillors... Lets see what you are doing to EARN your salary. Transparesy. Show Canada that the how many MILLIONS of TAX DOLLARS are going into building suitable housing for YOUR PEOPLE... Lets get real here. As for the LAW BREAKERS disrupting traffic and blockading rail roads and highways. They are CRIMINALS and should be treated as such. Oh and by the way, if you choose to leave the reserve, NO WELFARE. Your money in on the reserve. You leave the reserve GET A JOB like everyone else and start paying your own way.
 
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Really? How?

Would you say Native Chiefs are people that campaign in the same way politicians do?
Though elected are they elected by popular vote?
Can anyone just sign up to run for chief?

Albeit I will concede there is politics involved and today 90% of Chiefs in the Americas are elected.

But it hurts me to concede she is a politician.
That comes with a whole set of baggage not really part of the Natives history.

She is a Chief , a Native elder, just because she was elected does not mean she is a politician.

Shop union stewards are elected , are they politicians?

Bremusa
 

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Hmmmmmmmmmmm Idle No More. How about Work for your own money. I'm sick and tired of hearing that the natives are soooooooooooo hard done by. Do you want to know how much I pay in taxes in a year? I'm sure not seeing any value for the money that comes out of my cheques. Theresa Spence needs to give her head a shake. Sure the housing is in a very sad state... but explain how she gets paid as much as she does and yet her own people don't have a decent roof over their head? Time for some accountability. Open books to INDEPENDANT AUDITORS. You want my money... I want to know where its going. Show me some value for my tax dollars. I'm so sick and tired of this whole treaty rights crap.... Its time WE as CANADIANS started to take a stand and tell these natives.... If you want Treaty Money, You MUST BE ON THE RESERVE to get it. As for the Chiefs and Band Councillors... Lets see what you are doing to EARN your salary. Transparesy. Show Canada that the how many MILLIONS of TAX DOLLARS are going into building suitable housing for YOUR PEOPLE... Lets get real here. As for the LAW BREAKERS disrupting traffic and blockading rail roads and highways. They are CRIMINALS and should be treated as such. Please note what color my skin is.


didn't read the last link I posted, did ya. Of course not, it would have meant your rant was worthless.

and what colour is your skin and and why does it matter.
 

petros

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no idea, I'm not privy to the inner decisions of the AFN, and neither are you.
No, she's not a member of the delegation. Stan Beardy is the executive for Ontario not Theresa Spence. She's just some backwater crooked Chief who doesn't represent the AFN therefore she is in no postion to set up a meeting with the PM on theiir behalf.

Alteo went to the PM and got the meeting on behalf of the AFN alllll by himself without Spence.
 

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For Social housing with no lot costs or permit fees? Can I live in your paradise fantasy world too or is it just for you?

Right. $90K Through a RETAILER.

I expect them to be paid the rate of any GL who lacks skills

Even if you used the complete retail luxury 1760sq ft home at $90K added a foundation, shipped to Attawapiskat tied to the street it's still under $110K and that is for something that IS NOT SOCIAL HOUSING.

Where does the other $140K go gerryh?

Penny whistles and moonpies?

At $20K a pop, add wiring, plumbing, heat, street ties in, shipping and pad there is no way in hell the 725 sq ft 2 bdrm house posted below is going to top $60K. Are they not good enough for Attawapiskat or ANY Rez for that matter?

Admit it. They are a smoking deal.


In 1977 I bought a brand new 14'X70' Manco trailer set up in Courtenay for just under $20,000, so I'm puzzled how in 2013 you can acquire a suitable home to be located in a harsh climate for under $20,000! Wouldn't 70 mm. walls be inadequate?
 

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In 1977 I bought a brand new 14'X70' Manco trailer set up in Courtenay for just under $20,000, so I'm puzzled how in 2013 you can acquire a suitable home to be located in a harsh climate for under $20,000! Wouldn't 70 mm. walls be inadequate?
They come in 110mm as well for a couple hundred bucks more but don't tell the Spastics fans that.
BREMUSA said:
Would you say Native Chiefs are people that campaign in the same way politicians do? yes
Though elected are they elected by popular vote? yes
Can anyone just sign up to run for chief? yes

Albeit I will concede there is politics involved and today 90% of Chiefs in the Americas are elected.

But it hurts me to concede she is a politician. Self-Government requires politicians,
That comes with a whole set of baggage not really part of the Natives history.

She is a Chief , a Native elder, just because she was elected does not mean she is a politician. again Self-government, governments have politicians

Shop union stewards are elected , are they politicians?

Bremusa

Pete
 

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They come in 110mm as well for a couple hundred bucks more but don't tell the Spastics fans that.

If it was me, I'd want 150 mm walls, well insulated for that climate. If what you are providing in that location given the remoteness and transport costs isn't adequate, then it's just more money pissed against the wall.
 

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If it was me, I'd want 150 mm walls, well insulated for that climate. If what you are providing in that location given the remoteness and transport costs isn't adequate, then it's just more money pissed against the wall.
Air tight is where it's at.

What is the R- value of CDN white pine?
 

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Air tight is where it's at.

What is the R- value of CDN white pine?

No idea! For construction material I'd prefer fir over pine. However not being up to date on new technology, I'm always ready to be brought up to date!
 

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Air tight is where it's at.

What is the R- value of CDN white pine?

A solid wood wall of eastern white pine (a softwood) such as that we will be using produces an R-value of 1.41 per inch of wood.
 

petros

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No idea! For construction material I'd prefer fir over pine. However not being up to date on new technology, I'm always ready to be brought up to date!
Fir is denser and stronger but doesn't insulate as well. If you compact a bat of R-15 pink insulation to a solid would it still have the insulating value of R-15? Nope, it would equate to sheet fiberglass.
 

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didn't read the last link I posted, did ya. Of course not, it would have meant your rant was worthless.

and what colour is your skin and and why does it matter.
Oh but I did infact read your pointless and inaccurate RANT. I have lived and worked on MANY reserves in Northern Manitoba. So explain to me how someone that makes so LITTLE according to your rant lives in a nicer house than me who makes 3 times the money.... Ooooooooooooooh Right. The government takes my taxes and gives it to people that have this damned sense of entitlement when infact I earn the money I should get to keep it.
 

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Oh but I did infact read your pointless and inaccurate RANT. I have lived and worked on MANY reserves in Northern Manitoba. So explain to me how someone that makes so LITTLE according to your rant lives in a nicer house than me who makes 3 times the money.... Ooooooooooooooh Right. The government takes my taxes and gives it to people that have this damned sense of entitlement when infact I earn the money I should get to keep it.


Bullshyte. You are lying through your teeth. If you had read the article I posted, you would have seen that an audit has been done, but not released, which made your rant about wanting an audit done moot.
 

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Bullshyte. You are lying through your teeth. If you had read the article I posted, you would have seen that an audit has been done, but not released, which made your rant about wanting an audit done moot.
Well if this audit was not released? Are you pulling these stats and numbers out of thin air? I happen to know from past experience that chiefs are paid a far cry more than you quoted.