Trudeau says Canada belongs to Quebec

captain morgan

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You're absolutely right, it's always that way. While I can understand the draw and appeal of a specific parties overall policy for many people, I'm still stunned that so many do not seem to understand that it all comes down to that simple choice in the end. Not that the choices in and of themselves are necessarily simple, but it certainly is a lot more reasonable than blind faith in any politician based on nothing more than their party.


For the electorate, the choice is quite simple. The problem is that the political machine is pitting regions, groups and demographics against one another for the sheer purpose of garnering votes as opposed to doing what is best for the nation.

It is a simple and highly popular strategy... Extend promises and/or benefits to a large demographic and seek to raise the money to execute the strategy via taxing a smaller demographic or industrial sector that doesn't have the numbers to counter the strategy. His father did exactly that and it had a significant effect, not only on the province of AB, but on the national economy as well (ie. the E&P companies simply stopped producing anything).

This is what is highly suspect of Trudeau's persona... Says one thing (in French) to the Quebec electorate, and then says something entirely different (in English) to the MSM... It's almost as if he thinks that no one outside of Quebec can understand French or can use a translation service
 

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For the electorate, the choice is quite simple. The problem is that the political machine is pitting regions, groups and demographics against one another for the sheer purpose of garnering votes as opposed to doing what is best for the nation.

It is a simple and highly popular strategy... Extend promises and/or benefits to a large demographic and seek to raise the money to execute the strategy via taxing a smaller demographic or industrial sector that doesn't have the numbers to counter the strategy. His father did exactly that and it had a significant effect, not only on the province of AB, but on the national economy as well (ie. the E&P companies simply stopped producing anything).

Right, that's what I meant by the choices in and of themselves are not that simple because nothing about politics is straight forward. There is always game playing, manipulation, wedge politics, it never ends. What we as voters need to do is see past that.

This is what is highly suspect of Trudeau's persona... Says one thing (in French) to the Quebec electorate, and then says something entirely different (in English) to the MSM... It's almost as if he thinks that no one outside of Quebec can understand French or can use a translation service

To be honest, that's the part that I don't like as well. Personally I am not staunchly anti-Liberal or even anti-Trudeau for that matter, but saying one thing in one language and something else in the other doesn't really sit all that well with me. I would have to see how habitual it is and if it is it would definitely factor into where I would cast my vote.
 

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Peter Armstrong: How Quebec bashing moved West - Canada - CBC News


When Twitter blew up Thursday over Justin Trudeau's comments about Alberta, an idea began to turn over in my head.
Watching the video of his two-year-old interview on Quebec TV, in which he took a shot at the "Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda" — and which had the added bonus of Trudeau oddly throwing himself down a flight of stairs — I began to wonder: In all this frenzy of analysis, condemnation and defence, has Alberta become the new Quebec.
For years, Quebec was the slightly touchy base of political power that was misunderstood (or poorly understood) by the rest of the country. It was the province about which people across Canada would often say dumb things.
I moved to Ste. Foy, Que., in 1997. It was that weird time after the '95 referendum, and the hangover hadn't quite subsided.
I remember walking past the National Assembly one winter's night and looking up at the place with slight awe.
Lucien Bouchard was still premier. Jean Chretien had just won his second majority in Ottawa. The Bloc Quebecois was no longer the Official Opposition in Parliament, but was still a force to be reckoned with.
In short, Quebec was a powerhouse provincially and federally.
If you were interested in politics, Quebec City was a fantastic place to be. It was a magnet that drew great political stories and I felt lucky to be around to report on them.
But as much fun as it was watching the politics inside Quebec, sometimes the even better sport was watching how Quebec politics played across the country.
There are entire websites dedicated to the dumb things people have said about Quebec. (And just as many chronicling the stupid things Quebecers have said about the rest of Canada.) There's no need to revisit them all here.
PQ and Bloc members kept a fresh and updated list of grievances, and coined the term Quebec bashing.
(Ask a Quebecer about Don Cherry or Mordecai Richler, or a recent Calgary Herald headline pondering whether one third of Quebecers are "bigots," or Richard Lafferty, the investment broker who was convicted of libel for once comparing Bouchard and Jacques Parizeau to Adolf Hitler).
Well, since then, power in this country has shifted west, with Canada's economic engine having virtually packed up and moved to Alberta.
The political movement currently in power finds its roots well outside the old maps of Upper and Lower Canada.
Today, those plucky outsiders who once demanded the West wants in are in.
And now the rest of Canada, or, perhaps more accurately, Canadians east of Manitoba, is struggling to understand Alberta and to seem "plugged in" to the West.
Combine that with the instinctual desire of politicians to play to their base and the saying of stupid things is almost inevitable.
I know, I know, there are countless differences between Quebec and Alberta.
But this isn't really about Albertans, it's about the rest of us and the way we see Alberta.
It's about how we interact with the new powerhouse. And, as is the case with so much of today's politics, it's about perception.
Maybe what we are seeing in the sensitivity over Trudeau's two-year-old remarks and his subsequent apology is simply the price a region pays for holding political power.
The West wanted in. Now that it is in, it will get yelled at, slandered, blamed and mocked for all sorts of reasons.
Some of them will be legitimate. Many of them will be slightly absurd.
Perhaps Albertans will recall the outrage in Quebec over every slight (perceived or otherwise) and shrug off the stupid things people say now about Alberta. Though perhaps that's too much to ask of any Canadian region.
That said, I now live in Toronto. This city is relentlessly mocked by everyone in Canada, even Torontonians themselves.
But that's not politics. It's probably just good sense.
 

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Right, that's what I meant by the choices in and of themselves are not that simple because nothing about politics is straight forward. There is always game playing, manipulation, wedge politics, it never ends. What we as voters need to do is see past that.

It should be a relatively easy choice, but as we well know, that is regrettably not the case. The fundamental problem is that these people are habitual and chronic liars.

As unrealistic as this suggestion might be, it would be great if each party were to be required to publish their platform and that document to be treated somewhat like a contract... Break the contract and suffer a consequence (recall),

Yeah, yeah - I know that it's a wild fantasy, but in light of the almost sociopathic tendencies of the political body (in general), I wonder if that may actually represent a necessity.


To be honest, that's the part that I don't like as well. Personally I am not staunchly anti-Liberal or even anti-Trudeau for that matter, but saying one thing in one language and something else in the other doesn't really sit all that well with me. I would have to see how habitual it is and if it is it would definitely factor into where I would cast my vote.

Despite my conservative rants - I personally don't care what party gets into power, but the most important focus in my view relates to fiscal conservatism. The way I see it, all of the social programs/benefits are a byproduct of a healthy economy. That said, when I hear Trudeau-the-lesser pit industrial sectors and regions against one another for the purpose of pandering for votes, it scares the hell out of me.

In addition to the above, I also believe that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and Trudeau will follow in his old mans footsteps and make a play to tinker with Canada's resource sectors in a manner that will negatively impact the whole economy for the sole benefit of having his name listed as a PM.
 

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It should be a relatively easy choice, but as we well know, that is regrettably not the case. The fundamental problem is that these people are habitual and chronic liars.

I think what compounds and exacerbates that problem is that by far the loudest of the voter base is the fringe, the extreme right or left. By no means am I saying they shouldn't have their views but they do have a tendency to overwhelm and overtake the political discussion. We see it on here time and time again. (I think what we see happening here is a microcosm of what's going on out in the greater nation.) And I believe they are the minority, but by being loud, obtrusive oftentimes obnoxious (and to be sure sometimes there are some very valid points they raise as well) over and above all else, they actually stifle the forward momentum that I believe could be taking place were everyone to have a more equal voice. And yes it is our responsibility to take control but really, who wants to argue with a lunatic?

As unrealistic as this suggestion might be, it would be great if each party were to be required to publish their platform and that document to be treated somewhat like a contract... Break the contract and suffer a consequence (recall),

Yeah, yeah - I know that it's a wild fantasy, but in light of the almost sociopathic tendencies of the political body (in general), I wonder if that may actually represent a necessity.
It's not a bad idea, it would certainly make things clearer for the voters when it comes to decision time. Of course that would mean they are actually holding themselves accountable, so you're not going to see them volunteering for that any time soon.


Despite my conservative rants - I personally don't care what party gets into power, but the most important focus in my view relates to fiscal conservatism. The way I see it, all of the social programs/benefits are a byproduct of a healthy economy. That said, when I hear Trudeau-the-lesser pit industrial sectors and regions against one another for the purpose of pandering for votes, it scares the hell out of me.
I don't see you as a conservative ranter, I read you exactly as you stated, as a fiscal conservative. I tend towards conservatism when it comes to fiscal matters as well. Where I would define myself slightly differently is that I don't think the social programs and benefits are just a byproduct, they need to be a goal as well. Yes, we want a healthy economy and we need to do everything we can to achieve that end. But at the end of the day, we are talking about people. I think we need to strive for balance in government policy. What I believe is the most detrimental is all this yo-yoing back and forth. Tax cuts, tax increases, budget cuts, budget increases. That gets us absolutely no where. Everything is so tightly woven together at this point that simply making one choice is not going to get the result that's wanted. It's like pulling on a thread in a tapestry, you don't really know what thread is going to cause the whole thing to unravel.

As far as pandering to votes, every politician does that. It's opportunistic and unpalatable. The part that really never sits well with me is pitting one area or group against the other. It's that us vs them mentality that feeds into the lunatic fringe. It's stupid and it's wrong. Whether we always all get along or agree or not, we are actually in this together. We'll get a hell of a lot farther if we work together instead of against one another. But I don't know if we've ever really had a leader in this country, at least not in my memory, that really brought us together.

Harper, while he certainly doesn't tear us apart, is just lacking that spark and charisma that can inspire, in my opinion. And frankly so far Justin is not really doing too much for me either.
 

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As opposed to the corrupt Quebec *** kissers in the LPC?

:roll:

Maybe when you are small and your neighbour is big, it doesn't hurt to keep on friendly terms.-:)

We have a big stick, that not only has never been used, it has never been threatened. There is no need for Canada to brown nose/kiss a ss when it comes to the states.
 

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CTV editor Christine Tam ♥♥♥ Justin Trudeau




The above screen capture is the tweet sent out by Christine Tam who is the online reporter/editor for CTV British Columbia during Liberal MP Justin Trudeau’s press conference this morning.

Nothing further needs to be said.


small dead animals: Your Moral And Intellectual Superiors


CTV editor publicly expresses her crush for Justin Trudeau « BC Blue: One BC Conservative's view on it all…
 

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When Jason Kenney, the Conservative point-man on this issue, stepped out into the foyer of the House of Commons to talk about it, the scrum of reporters didn’t ask him questions. They debated him — asking him three times if his concern about Trudeau’s comments wasn’t just a reflection of his own party’s desperation.

The Toronto Star’s headline on the story was this: “Trudeau faces uproar for alleged anti-Alberta comments.”

Alleged?

The Canadian Press, the unionized, left-wing news agency, topped that. Their headline: “Tories target Trudeau as poll suggests his popularity keeps growing.”

Say what? No mention that Trudeau had slurred Alberta. The attackers were … the Tories! Oh — and in case you were wondering — Trudeau is super awesome, and they have polls to show it.

Some journalists practically asked Trudeau out on a date. Christine Tam, a CTV producer, posted a pretty picture of Trudeau on Twitter and wrote the caption: “Justin Trudeau can make anti-Alberta comments to me anytime!”

Oh, get a room. Or, don’t, actually — I prefer that kind of drooling to be done in public, for the country to see, rather than Liberal spin doctors pretending to be neutral reporters.


Speaking in Liberal mother tongue: Media Party gives Justin Trudeau a pass on anti-Alberta remarks | Columnists | Opinion | Toronto Sun


Sounds like somebody is jealous
Nope, just pointing out media bias.

You being CC's self professed silliest member, it doesn't surprise me that that had to be explained to you.
 
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china

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Alberta doesn't need Canada ??!! If all the Canadians left,you'd better learn spainglish,and learning doesn't come easy to you american wannabeez


HAHAHAHAH.........! "American wannabeez".....,just because you don't want to be a part of something old , corrupted and juvenile..? Typical inferiority complex.lol

PS.HOW MANY DIFFERENT LANGUAGES HAVE YOU MASTERED ?hahahaha...
 
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The bottom line is that most of the voters live in Ontario and Quebec and Alberta in comparison has a smaller population. Because Alberta has a sought after resource it has become too big for their britches and feel that the power belongs to them.
 

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The bottom line is that most of the voters live in Ontario and Quebec and Alberta in comparison has a smaller population. Because Alberta has a sought after resource it has become too big for their britches and feel that the power belongs to them.

It does belong to them. The golden rule states that he who has the gold makes the rules. You are confusing democratic power with real power.