Perhaps if you were willing to listen. From what I have gathered in your posts you would be deaf to his teachings.
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Perhaps if you were willing to listen. From what I have gathered in your posts you would be deaf to his teachings.
Yes I know.
The thread is on homosexuality, you changed course to a completely unrelated subject- pedophilia which has nothing to do with what Gerry was looking for.
I am going to answer your question - " Could somebody provide a verse where Jesus is cited as condemning pedophilia?"
NO I can not provide a verse. If you want to discuss a different subject from what Gerry laid out, open a new thread pertaining to the matter.
There's lots of material out there, mainly from the U.S. and the U.K., on surveys of scientists' religious beliefs. The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (pewforum.org) is the most active source I know of, here's a report on one of their surveys: Pew Survey: A Huge God Gap Between Scientists and Other Americans - God & Country (usnews.com) That shows about a third of scientists to be theists, and there's another one somewhere that sampled the top level of scientists, members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. I haven't seen that one online, I've seen it reported in books I've read. In that elite group the percentage of theists drops into single digits, if my memory is correct. I'll try to find that.
That's not a deduction, it's at best an induction, though the way you phrased it looks like just an assumption. We certainly could be alone, and we don't have the data to justify concluding that we aren't, the only thing we can say with certainty is that sentient life exists on at least one planet. We have no idea how common or rare it might be. Single celled life appeared on earth almost as soon as conditions made it possible, so that step might be relatively easy, but it took almost another 3 billion years for multicellular life to get going, so that step might be very difficult, and thus rare. Moreover, given that the cosmos is such as to permit sentient life to develop, somebody had to be first, maybe it's us.
But we're getting pretty far off the topic of the OP.
" I'm having a problem finding citations from the New Testament where Christ condemned homosexuality. Anyone want to help me out?"
Where do you see "pedophilia" mentioned in the above O.P.? Perhaps you want to discuss tonsilitis while you're about it!
You missed the whole point. A lot of "religious" zealots try to peddle the bullsh*t that homosexuality is evil because it says so in the Bible. Gerry was simply asking where Jesus said that. Not rocket science. Pedophilia was never the issue until you tried to make it one.
That's nice, but considering the kind of sloppy evidence and arguments it accepts for its canonization procedures, that's not much of a recommendation.
The Church has NEVER condoned homosexuality.. it has always held the sacrament of marriage as sacred and unsullied, bestowed by God on one man and one woman, to the exclusion of all others, and until death do they part.
The Judaic precedessors of the Christianity did the same.. in the Old Testament..starting in the Pentateuch (the original 5 books of the Bible).. with Leviticus (18:22) labelling homosexuality as an abomination.. it has never varied.
There's a lot of historical revisionism going on now to rewrite Scripture.. and the Church's teaching on homosexuality.. but all originate in the political agendas of the homosexual lobbies.. not the Church.
Your comments on 'Spirit' look oddly like some of the Heresies.. founded in paganism.. which the Church has fought throughout its history.. notably Gnosticism and Catharism.. which deems matter and spirit to be of different origins.. and not integral to God's intent.
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What does that have to do with life off our planet being accepted by the Vatican? Catholics even agree with evolution and don't stand behind the intelligent design idea either. The RC has never condemned Darwin's theory.
You and I both are fully aware of the amazing aspects of self-assembly of crystaline structures in inorganic and organic chemistry.
Order out of chaos of any sort in the Universe is a total mind **** and you can't deny that but for a bunch of junk that remained from an explosion in a vaccum to be sitting here having this conversation is a mind **** I don't think science will ever be able to explain until we can poke our heads into the next dimension.
What gives our dimension that little slice of order that has learned to manipulate matter? If something of intelligence frmo another dimension is playing around in this one, then the ancient theory of God is sort of a truth.
As I said in a previous post, that's an unjustifiable conclusion from the evidence. The Vatican routinely accepts things as true on the basis of the flimsiest of evidence, or no evidence at all, and rejects things that ARE true and supported by voluminous evidence.
It certainly has. LT93 - Early Vatican Responses To Evolutionist Theology