Obama wins presidency!!!

[Mowich]

'Congratulations to Obama, in spite of the failing economy, the people still saw him as a strong president who will improve his presidency and the economy, he had a big hill to climb, it was in poor shape when he took over, so now he has another 4 years. What had to be done couldn't be done in one term, now he can move the country forward.

Truly and concisely stated. Well done, talloola. :thumbleft:

At this stage it doesn't matter much who wins. it will increasingly become less of an ideological issue and a practical one. Soon enough, all sides will simply have to agree to tax and axe, no sacred cows allowed. Goodbye low US taxes. Goodbye most powerful military in the world. Goodbye wor'ds policeman, etc. Now is time to retrench and rejuvenate the country, and that means tax and axe, end of story.

I can't see that reduced spending on their military industrial complex is a bad thing at all. Do they really need all those bases around the world? The savings reaped by this cut-back alone will provide a tidy sum of funds. It will be interesting to see exactly what the Pres does now that he no longer has to worry about votes.

Hello Northern Gateway Pipeline.

Actually, I think it will be 'Hello XL Pipeline'. Hopefully, it will take some pressure off the NG pipeline.

You said it well, Talloola. I thought both Obama's and Romney's speeches were very good.

Anyone know why Fla. hasn't been declared with Obama having a 46000 vote lead?

On the warmth factor.........Obama won hands down, IMHO. I found Mitt's words welcome but his demeanor troubling. He comes across as patronizing as if speaking to a group of kiddies. Obama is heart and soul of his audiences as if there was a connection that surpassed politics. A real human connection. I never once felt that about Romney during the entire election.

 

[JLM]

That's not correct. The rest of Mittens votes came from the rural rednecks who can spell 'winchester magnum' at age 3 but cannot spell 'vote' at age 30 and whose mother is also their sister.

A lot of the Republican votes come from Tornado Alley, where possibly many of the voters have been clunked on the head too many times.

 

[Mowich]

Means Northern Gateway is probably dead. This will make us more dependent on a fickle American market rather than expanding our customer base.

I doubt that the NG is dead, ts..........just less of a high priority item if the XL goes ahead.

 

[JLM]

The majority is poorly educated.




Don't ask foolish rhetorical questions.


I hope Obama suffers political calamity. For people like me there is no longer a future in the context of the existing political order.

You got that right, you've obviously got no ability to adjust to the conditions of the day. You're going to sit around and mope. If you are a "political animal" get busy seeing what changes you can make starting with your own community. We don't always get things our way by the same token normal people don't let obstacles stop them. Quit whining!

 

[Mowich]

I have one nagging concern about legalizing pot especially after listening to Geoff Courtnall on the radio several weeks ago. He is one of the head honchos at the Archie Courtnall mental health facility in Victoria and according to him a vast number of patients there are suffering from mental problems caused by pot. Albeit probably a small percentage of users, many have no tolerance for it and it just puts them right off the rails.

Rock on Washington and Colorado.

 

[JLM]

I doubt that the NG is dead, ts..........just less of a high priority item if the XL goes ahead.

I'd like to see the pipe line go ahead, just done properly, with all precautions taken and no provisions for extra perks for anyone in the organization.

 

[BaalsTears]

You got that right, you've obviously got no ability to adjust to the conditions of the day. You're going to sit around and mope. If you are a "political animal" get busy seeing what changes you can make starting with your own community. We don't always get things our way by the same token normal people don't let obstacles stop them. Quit whining!

You don't get it. I want Obama to fail no matter what the consequences to the United States. Thanks for the conversation.

Obama won't go along with the XL pipeline unless he is prepared to betray environmentalists.

 

[karrie]

I don't think so, I believe it's caused by the inherent properties of marijuana. Any experts care to jump in? I just don't see how Geoff's political position has anything to do with it.

I've read of pot causing mental problems due to its 'sticky' nature in the way it interacts with brain tissue. One of the biggest culprits according to that long ago reading, was the use of the drug by people whose brains were still developing, ie. youth and young adults. But, if I am also recalling correctly, that was a medical article in a Reader's Digest, so, I'm not sure where the study came from, if it was properly controlled, etc.

The trouble with trying to isolate 'a cause' for mental illness is that too often mental illness presents with mania, where people will start taking risks. And for young adults who are having their first manic break, what are they going to do? They're going to try pot. So it becomes entwined with the issue, without necessarily having been the 'cause'.

 

[Mowich]

The Republican House of Representatives will stymie Obama because the conservative base won't let them.

You do realize you negated your own argument..........don't you???

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I'd like to see the pipe line go ahead, just done properly, with all precautions taken and no provisions for extra perks for anyone in the organization.

I'm with you, JLM. I am well aware of the economic boost the NG would give to our province and the country. I am still extremely uncomfortable with Kitimat as the port. I would also like to see real, substantive funds put aside in case of spills or other calamities and a strict, timely regime of inspections established with verifiable results.

 

[tay]

Means Northern Gateway is probably dead. This will make us more dependent on a fickle American market rather than expanding our customer base.

OPEC sets the world price......................



Obama Victory Could Spell End Of Conservative Supreme Court



Obama Victory Could Spell End Of Conservative Supreme Court - Forbes

 

[JLM]

You don't get it. I want Obama to fail no matter what the consequences to the United States. Thanks for the conversation.

Obama won't go along with the XL pipeline unless he is prepared to betray environmentalists.

Smart environmentalists first study the proposed project, voice concerns, suggest precautions, listen to others involved, and work toward a workable and viable compromise.

It's the Bamster who'll have to move to the middle if he wants to get things done; just like Clinton had to.

To reach the "middle" would he have to move left or right?

 

[BaalsTears]

Oh it's divided all right. White men vs women and people of color.......which group do you think has the bigger numbers?

The side of my mortal enemies has the greater numbers. That means I no longer have a stake in the success of the United States. Screw the US. Let it pass like the Soviet Union.

[QUOTE]The Republicans retained control of the House of Representatives. That means nothing changes. The House will block the Obama agenda.[/QUOTE]

See my previous post.

When the US dies demographics won't matter in the same way.

Hoping your president fails, dooms your country to four more years of economic stagnation. I can't believe that you would put your hatred for a man - your President at that - above the love of your country.

America and the United States aren't the same thing. I hope the United States dies. It's not about control of the US...it's about the existence of the US as a polity.

 

[damngrumpy]

It is amazing to me how people want Obama to fail more than they want their country to succeed.
In Canada I am not happy we have a conservative government not by a long shot but we do.
I also understand that not all the things the conservatives want to do are bad things. I support a
number of the things Harper wants to do, but the ones I object to are the only things I want him to
fail at, not everything, The Republicans and the right wing in America failed because they are
against everything Obama wants to do and reasonable people think deeper than that. Many who
are conservative recognized that if they are against everything Obama stands for. When they
themselves disagree the Republicans wouldn't listen to them either. In short the Republicans
can only recite their own dogma with a vacuum of ideas of their own.. That might not be true but
it has become the perception and that spells defeat.

 

[BaalsTears]

It is amazing to me how people want Obama to fail more than they want their country to succeed.
In Canada I am not happy we have a conservative government not by a long shot but we do.
I also understand that not all the things the conservatives want to do are bad things. I support a
number of the things Harper wants to do, but the ones I object to are the only things I want him to
fail at, not everything, The Republicans and the right wing in America failed because they are
against everything Obama wants to do and reasonable people think deeper than that. Many who
are conservative recognized that if they are against everything Obama stands for. When they
themselves disagree the Republicans wouldn't listen to them either. In short the Republicans
can only recite their own dogma with a vacuum of ideas of their own.. That might not be true but
it has become the perception and that spells defeat.

Incalculable harm will be inflicted on the US by continued political paralysis. Political paralysis is just what the doctor ordered.

 

[damngrumpy]

All that remains of the political right is fractured pockets of discontent.
No Romney, Jesus is not coming back and everyone gets medicare.
It is a wonderful day enjoy it, unless you are part of the fractured right
of course.
How did these people expect to win? All there was, was hysterical shouting
by Beck and good ole Rush the conservative icon. You had religious nuts
ranting about legitimate rape and the abortion issue is done, gone its over a
thing of the past. Even God is tired of hearing about it.
Come to think of it, if we were to adopt the visions of what Christ was teaching
he would approve of
medicare
pensions
employment programs for the poor
food stamps
housing for the poor and social assistance
Did he not say house the homeless feed the poor and the hungry and cloth the
naked?
Sounds more like a Democrat to me.

 

[JLM]

It is amazing to me how people want Obama to fail more than they want their country to succeed.
In Canada I am not happy we have a conservative government not by a long shot but we do.
I also understand that not all the things the conservatives want to do are bad things. I support a
number of the things Harper wants to do, but the ones I object to are the only things I want him to
fail at, not everything, The Republicans and the right wing in America failed because they are
against everything Obama wants to do and reasonable people think deeper than that. Many who
are conservative recognized that if they are against everything Obama stands for. When they
themselves disagree the Republicans wouldn't listen to them either. In short the Republicans
can only recite their own dogma with a vacuum of ideas of their own.. That might not be true but
it has become the perception and that spells defeat.

Good post- Republicans can come across (to me) as very negative, although many of their policies are positive - they are their own worst enemy (you don't tell people a week before a major hurricane that you don't believe in providing relief for disasters). Out of fairness, the encumbant (unless he's been downright rotten) has the edge (the Devil you know vs. the Devil you don't). Perhaps Romney has a tendency to be a little impetuous. Maybe you do that when you are scrambling for your (political) life.

 

[Mowich]

Rock on Barack! :smile:
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[BaalsTears]

All that remains of the political right is fractured pockets of discontent.
No Romney, Jesus is not coming back and everyone gets medicare.
It is a wonderful day enjoy it, unless you are part of the fractured right
of course.
How did these people expect to win? All there was, was hysterical shouting
by Beck and good ole Rush the conservative icon. You had religious nuts
ranting about legitimate rape and the abortion issue is done, gone its over a
thing of the past. Even God is tired of hearing about it.
Come to think of it, if we were to adopt the visions of what Christ was teaching
he would approve of
medicare
pensions
employment programs for the poor
food stamps
housing for the poor and social assistance
Did he not say house the homeless feed the poor and the hungry and cloth the
naked?
Sounds more like a Democrat to me.

The presidency and senate belong to Democrats, but voters gave the house of representatives to the Republicans. Americans voted for stalemate. You don't know American politics very well.

 

[PoliticalNick]

A breakdown of the vote - who voted for whom, etc - clearly shows that the Republican party has a lot of work to do if they wish to expand their voter base.

Ari Fleisher Made a comment on CNN last night that was very telling on why the republicans failed and will continue to fail. It was along the line of 'we are not the party to promote pro-life or gay marriage and such, that is the democratic party'. Until the republicans move to the center on some of these hot-button issues they will continue to fail at winning the white house. The electorate has changed to a younger, more liberal demographic as the majority and it will continue to move that direction while the GOP is stagnating in that christian conservative mentality.

 

[taxslave]

Republicans: The party of divisiveness.

In other much more important US political news Washington voted to legalize pot possession and gay marriage.

TAY: WHich don't you like? Obama, Pot or gay marriage?

I don't think so, I believe it's caused by the inherent properties of marijuana. Any experts care to jump in? I just don't see how Geoff's political position has anything to do with it.

It would depend a lot on which "expert" he is talking to. Most of the self professed experts learned from a book with no practical knowledge. Nick is probably right and his opinion is politically motivated since the same reasoning would be used to make alcohol illegal. I have never seen anyone go off the deep end smoking pot and I doubt it is possible although it is possible to have what is basically an allergic reaction. I have developed a minor sensitivity to pot which is much like an allergic reaction. Small amounts of Sativa is OK but Indica is taboo. But when one buys on the black market one is never sure what one is getting.

Smart environmentalists first study the proposed project, voice concerns, suggest precautions, listen to others involved, and work toward a workable and viable compromise.



To reach the "middle" would he have to move left or right?

Way left.