Lance Armstrong-The Roof Continues to Fall In !!!

[talloola]

This crap will continue as long as the general public puts up with it. I have to admit I did feel sorry for Silken Lauman, but with her I think it was more a matter of carelessness than evil intentions. It's really sad when prowess in sports precludes the principles of honesty and sportsmanship. The likes of Armstrong are NOT sportsmen, just a lust for greed, fame and power.

along with the rest of the cyclists who do the same, he isn't alone, and we shouldn't treat this as a one-off,
just because they investigation centered on him, that is nieve.
If most of the others were investigated, the public wouldn't pay attention, but with him, all are interested,
he is the best, so that is where they target their search.
If one doesn't really watch cycling, not very interested, then it seems that it is
just him, it isn't.

 

[bill barilko]

along with the rest of the cyclists who do the same, he isn't alone, and we shouldn't treat this as a one-off, just because they investigation centered on him, that is nieve.
If most of the others were investigated, the public wouldn't pay attention, but with him, all are interested,
he is the best, so that is where they target their search.
If one doesn't really watch cycling, not very interested, then it seems that it is
just him, it isn't.

You just don't get it and in all likelihood never will.

But for anyone else who doesn't understand the issue-he made millions by lying cheating and bullying and to this day denies doing same-that has nothing to do with others who cheated.

 

[talloola]

You just don't get it and in all likelihood never will.

But for anyone else who doesn't understand the issue-he made millions by lying cheating and bullying and to this day denies doing same-that has nothing to do with others who cheated.

he hasn't denied this last one, he has decided not to fight it, and in my thinking that is caving
in, as he finally realizes that he can't hide it any longer.
It has everything to do with others who cheated, and I don't care about the money, that is only because
he was the best, and the others who cheated still couldn't beat him, but they 'cheated' as well, so
I get it, and get it very well, it is a dirty sport, has been for a long time, they are all in it
together, or separately, but part of it, the whole sport needs to be cleaned out, but it never will,
it will go on and many, like you will think that lance armstrong was 'the' cheater and the others
were clean, not so.

Is it OK for the others to cheat when they don't win and make the money he made, does that make it
allright, no it doesn't, he was the target for the cheating, now they have him, and the others sit
back and hope they don't get caught.
It wouldn't be OK if the cyclists were cheating, and cycling for no money, its
still illegal, that is the point, not how much money he won, all the cheaters
were riding to win the money, it just happened to be him because he is better than
the other cheaters.

 

[bill barilko]

Usada describes Armstrong as the enforcer of US Postal's "massive and pervasive" doping programme."It was not enough that his team-mates give maximum effort on the bike," Wednesday's Usada report on Armstrong says. "He also required that they adhere to the doping programme outlined for them or be replaced."

Excuse me for a moment- I have to go throw up.

 

[talloola]

there was a chit chat this morning on the tv about cycling being probably the dirtiest sport in
the world, nothing new, that has been known for a long time, so anyone denying that they took
performance enhancing substances, including the blood doping would have been lying, they are
all in it together, they knew that they wouldn't be able to compete without it, so it was either
don't bother to race, or join in.

pitiful

for me, I am interested in knowing what will be done about it, and as has been done in past years,
each time this problem becomes public, NOTHING.

when everyone targets lance armstrong and doesn't pay attention to the overall picture, they are
again letting the 'sport' off the hook, the public should demand more, and not let their foot
off of the peddle. hmmm, that definitely fits.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I think I will say the same thing for cycling as I do for the olympics ... at some point, why fight it? Make doping and performance enhancing drugs 100% legal and let everybody use. The athlete with the best pharmasist will be the winner. Don't try to pretend that anybody is actually clean (at least anybody on the podium).

 

[L Gilbert]

It's easy. Simply have two sets of events; one for those who don't do drugs and one for those who do.
Winning by any means necessary is not included in the definition of sport. In a real sport, the test is to develop the best in a human being, not the best in some drug or other. Otherwise we might as well just make robots to perform.

 

[TenPenny]

I remember a couple of years ago, during the Stanley Cup Playoffs, when the game was heading for overtime, there was mention that some players would get IVs during intermission. It would be interesting to know what exactly they got.

 

[captain morgan]

saline solution and possibly electrolytes

 

[EagleSmack]

saline solution and possibly electrolytes

LMAO.

C'mon man!

It's easy. Simply have two sets of events; one for those who don't do drugs and one for those who do.
Winning by any means necessary is not included in the definition of sport. In a real sport, the test is to develop the best in a human being, not the best in some drug or other. Otherwise we might as well just make robots to perform.

THEN... the guys or gals that want to win the non-drug sports will want that little something-something to give that tiny edge needed.

 

[bill barilko]

It's easy. Simply have two sets of events; one for those who don't do drugs and one for those who do.
Winning by any means necessary is not included in the definition of sport. In a real sport, the test is to develop the best in a human being, not the best in some drug or other. Otherwise we might as well just make robots to perform.

What a load of idiotic bull!

I remember a couple of years ago, during the Stanley Cup Playoffs, when the game was heading for overtime, there was mention that some players would get IVs during intermission. It would be interesting to know what exactly they got.

More bull!

 

[L Gilbert]

What a load of idiotic bull!

Your opinion. As if your opinion counts for anything. lol
Real sport is the competition of human against human, not drug against drug.

 

[JLM]

It's easy. Simply have two sets of events; one for those who don't do drugs and one for those who do.
Winning by any means necessary is not included in the definition of sport. In a real sport, the test is to develop the best in a human being, not the best in some drug or other. Otherwise we might as well just make robots to perform.

One tiny problem there, the ultimate goal of sports is to promote health. Drugs and steriods don't do that! :smile:

 

[L Gilbert]

One tiny problem there, the ultimate goal of sports is to promote health.

Actually, the ultimate goal of sports is competition. Being healthy just makes the competition better.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Real sport is the competition of human against human, not drug against drug.

Actually, the ultimate goal of sports is competition.

Your second point contradicts your first one doesn't it? I agree with your second point. Competition, however achived, is competition.

 

[L Gilbert]

Your second point contradicts your first one doesn't it? I agree with your second point. Competition, however achived, is competition.

Nitpicking again?
Neither contradicts the other. The only difference is that I didn't bother specifying competition between humans in one of the statements.
Sport is competition between humans. Competition between drugs is something else.

 

[JLM]

Actually, the ultimate goal of sports is competition. Being healthy just makes the competition better.

ACTUALLY, generally the competition is an after thought, sports often start at ages 3 or 4 like riding a tricycle, running after the dog etc. It's only when a child progresses to a more sophisticated level of the sport that the idea of competition comes into his/her head. So I still think the primary reason for sport is part of a healthy life style, often starting with opportunity to get "some fresh air". :smile:

 

[captain morgan]

LMAO.

C'mon man!

I was just BS-ing... Everyone knows it's a cocktail of codeine, anabolic steroids, cocaine and meth

 

[L Gilbert]

Really? A person can engage in a sport against themselves and it is usually to compete with earlier events doing the same activity. People also compete against others and teams against teams. The competition can be either for pleasure or for gain.
You are talking about practising and exercising.

 

[talloola]

It's easy. Simply have two sets of events; one for those who don't do drugs and one for those who do.
Winning by any means necessary is not included in the definition of sport. In a real sport, the test is to develop the best in a human being, not the best in some drug or other. Otherwise we might as well just make robots to perform.

uh huh, and how many cheaters will enter the non cheating event, I mean thats how it all got started
to begin with.
the random test does not catch this recent problem, and when it does, then they will come up with
a new one that doesn't show up on a test.

ACTUALLY, generally the competition is an after thought, sports often start at ages 3 or 4 like riding a tricycle, running after the dog etc. It's only when a child progresses to a more sophisticated level of the sport that the idea of competition comes into his/her head. So I still think the primary reason for sport is part of a healthy life style, often starting with opportunity to get "some fresh air". :smile:

yeah, and that concept remains in recreational sport all the way thru, it is the almighty dollar and
the power and the types who have to win at any cost, always has been, and always will be.