B.C. pedophile, homeward bound after Thai prison term, arrested at Vancouver airport

[Goober]

He hasn't committed them here!

He broke Canadian Law- Read the link

 

[JLM]

A convicted pedophile who was once the subject of an international manhunt for allegedly posting his sexual assaults of children online after hiding his face behind a digital swirl has been arrested at Vancouver’s airport.

I guess we are stuck with this A$$hole, he's a Canadian and so far hasn't been charged with anything here. A big black "P" tattooed on his forehead would make me a lot happier though.

 

[B00Mer]

Oh you are so funny. There is a serious question as to if his arrest is unconstitutional and instead of discussing the topic you make lame jokes calling me a child didler. Maybe you just know you are wrong and letting your emotions get the better of you.

Oh now come on.. you're taking it way to personal.. I never called you a child didler.. however maybe you have the same view of Thailand that it's a haven for pedophiles.

If you escape the cities and go to the country, Thailand has some of the most beautiful beaches in the world.. It's ashamed that the country has developed a bad image.

I was going to go there on vacation..

He broke Canadian Law- Read the link

That would take effort and prove the members point invalid.. so good luck with that..

 

[Goober]

I guess we are stuck with this A$$hole, he's a Canadian and so far hasn't been charged with anything here. A big black "P" tattooed on his forehead would make me a lot happier though.

Oh I am sure charges will be laid by the end of the week or sooner say by Tuesday and they can also amend the charges, meaning more. The files on this freak have been built for years. And Thailand deported him here - they are well aware he will be charged, convicted and sentenced for breaking Canadian law.

 

[Machjo]

HOLD UP!!! Are you seriously defending the rights of a pedophile???

No more than I'm defending the rights of a murderer. For instance, if a Canadian murders another Canadian in China and runs to Canada, as far as i'm concerned it's not Canada's jurisdiction. If China wants us to extradite him to stand trial there, that's a nother matter.

Likewsie, a Canadian man abuses a boy in Thailand and runs to Canada, we let the Thai authorities deal with him and send him back there on request. Once he's stood trial and served his time (or acquitted or whatever the case might be), then it's case closed on our end.

Now if the Thai authorities advise based on the evidence they have that he is a threat to Canadian kids, we can certainly go with their advice, since they know the case, we don'tso they're the ones who know how dangerous or not he is in this case.

Now I realise that currently Canada does have extraterritorial laws re: sex abuse. I'm just saying I disagree with any kind of extraterritorial laws in principle.

He broke Canadian Law- Read the link

No one is disputing that. i've known that that long ago. I'm just saying I disagree with it.

 

[TenPenny]

HOLD UP!!! Are you seriously defending the rights of a pedophile???

Everybody should have their rights defended. Rights are rights.

Are you suggesting that rights should be suspended based on whether or not YOU like us?

He hasn't committed them here!

Read the law, it refers to acts committed elsewhere.

 

[Machjo]

Everybody should have their rights defended. Rights are rights.

Are you suggesting that rights should be suspended based on whether or not YOU like us?



Read the law, it refers to acts committed elsewhere.

JLM probably means that that law outhg to be amended, not that the law does not actually say that.

 

[JLM]

JLM probably means that that law outhg to be amended, not that the law does not actually say that.

Nah, it's a good law, just didn't realize we could prosecute people for things that occurred outside the country. Actually there should probably be a uniform sentence for child molestation whereever it occurs. Castration might be a good start!

 

[B00Mer]

Everybody should have their rights defended. Rights are rights.

Are you suggesting that rights should be suspended based on whether or not YOU like us?

Say what about the rights of his victims, and future victims??

He broke the law (Canadian Law), so he has the right to a lawyer, and a comfortable prison cell preferably in general population.

 

[gerryh]

My Nephew was telling his grandmother how he wanted to go to Thailand on vacation, grandma snapped back quickly; "that's where all the gays go to vacation.." lol

Really.......I gather his grandmother has a limited grasp on reality?

 

[Machjo]

Nah, it's a good law, just didn't realize we could prosecute people for things that occurred outside the country. Actually there should probably be a uniform sentence for child molestation whereever it occurs. Castration might be a good start!

Perhaps. But if it's going to be an international law, then certainly it would need to be dealt with in an international court under international jurisdiction then, because then it would not fall under national jurisdiction.

 

[B00Mer]

Really.......I gather his grandmother has a limited grasp on reality?

96 plus years old.. most folks that age have a limited grasp on reality.. come on..

Also, as I stated I was planning to go there on vacation.. I guess I will be coming out of the closet soon.. and I didn't even know..

 

[gerryh]

96 plus years old.. most folks that age have a limited grasp on reality.. come on..

Not necessarily, my Grandmother is 96 and her grasp on reality is just fine.

Perhaps. But if it's going to be an international law, then certainly it would need to be dealt with in an international court under international jurisdiction then, because then it would not fall under national jurisdiction.

:roll: Well isn't that special. Machjo proposes that Canadian citizens can go off and diddle little kids all over the world, come back to Canada and basically have immunity.

Now, I wonder why ANYONE would support that type of thinking..... aside from the pedophiles themselves.

 

[B00Mer]

Not necessarily, my Grandmother is 96 and her grasp on reality is just fine.

Yes but at that age most people are set in their ways..

Thailand has a reputation of a sex tourism for child pedo's, and homosexuality particularity in Bangkok, Phuket, Hua Hin, Chiang Mai.

Outside the major cities, you have some wonderful places to visit.

Everywhere you go in the big cities you will see karaoke and bar beers where woman pull and some force themselves over you, even if you are not interested, not only farangs have this.

 

[TenPenny]

Say what about the rights of his victims, and future victims??

He broke the law (Canadian Law), so he has the right to a lawyer, and a comfortable prison cell preferably in general population.

In case you weren't aware, he has the same rights as his victims and any other Canadian citizen.

Youl would do well to do some reading, instead of just parroting what the Conservative Party tells you to think.

 

[Machjo]

:roll: Well isn't that special. Machjo proposes that Canadian citizens can go off and diddle little kids all over the world, come back to Canada and basically have immunity.

That's not what i said. What I said was that they should be prosecuted in the appropriate jurisdiction. If he didles a kid in Thailand then we should send him back to Thailand to face prosecution. If that's immunity, you sure have a funny way of defining it.

 

[B00Mer]

In case you weren't aware, he has the same rights as his victims and any other Canadian citizen.

Youl would do well to do some reading, instead of just parroting what the Conservative Party tells you to think.

o.k. **shaking head**

What part of he broke the Canadian extraterritorial child sex offender laws, do you not understand.

Our Child Sex Offender Laws Should Cross Borders
By Benjamin Perrin

Canada has only convicted one person in the last decade under our extraterritorial child sex offender law. This stands in stark contrast to other developed countries that actively enforce similar laws.

Canadians are continuing to travel abroad and sexually abuse children, despite a criminal prohibition dating to 1997.

Documents recently released by the federal Department of Justice under the Access to Information Act reveal that at least 146 Canadians were charged with child sex offences overseas from 1993-2007. The data is based on requests for consular support. This figure does not include the likely much larger number of Canadians who engage in such conduct without being detected, or who evade charges by bribing local officials.

Foreign governments and non-governmental organizations alike have brought suspected cases to the attention of Canadian authorities, where charges were not possible in the territory where the allegations originated for a variety of reasons. However, to date, those referrals have not resulted in any noticeable prosecutorial activity.

Impact of Child Sex Tourism

Foreign child sex offenders who pay to abuse children in developing countries disproportionately drive the demand for human trafficking. They generally pay significantly more than local men to sexually exploit children. As a result, certain known sex venues overseas cater almost exclusively to Western tourists and businessmen.

The sexual exploitation of children and young women overseas results in severe psychological and physical harm to victims. Rates of HIV/AIDs and sexually transmitted diseases are much higher among these individuals than the general population. Often, they are threatened, beaten and raped to ensure their compliance.

Sex tourism also depends on the complicity of local authorities, which is frequently secured through corruption and bribery – undermining democratic institutions that are often in their infancy. Organized crime also frequently profits from the buying and selling of children and young women overseas for the sex trade.

As a result of these harms, child sexual exploitation by foreigners is a serious transnational crime and fundamental affront to human rights. It calls out for an international response. Canada must do its part.

Validity of Canada’s Extraterritorial Law

Some defence lawyers have commented in the media that Canada’s extraterritorial child sex offender law may be vulnerable to a constitutional challenge. They question the jurisdiction of Canadian criminal law to apply extraterritorially to offences involving child sexual exploitation. Such a challenge should fail.

In 1996, a federal Department of Justice official appearing before the Standing Committee of Justice and Legal Affairs stated that commercial child sex tourism is an international crime of universal jurisdiction. As a result, Canada would be fully entitled under international law to prosecute its nationals for that crime wherever it took place.

The validity of Canada’s extraterritorial child sex tourism legislation has only grown stronger with the passage of time.

By 2000, approximately twenty-three countries had adopted extraterritorial child sex offender laws. Today, the number of countries that have done so has doubled to approximately fifty. Prosecutions under those laws for both commercial and non-commercial child sexual exploitation continue to grow.

To date, 191 countries have ratified the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child, committing to take action to protect children from all forms of sexual exploitation. This international treaty is just one of several statements by the international community that child sexual exploitation is universally condemned.

A detailed ****ysis of this evidence of the state of customary international law on extraterritorial criminal responsibility for child sex offences is currently underway at the University of British Columbia. The findings of the UBC Human Trafficking Working Group will be released within the year.

Towards Active Enforcement

Research shows that general deterrence in criminal law is largely driven by the extent to which a given law is enforced. The likelihood of being charged deters would-be offenders.

Unfortunately, because Canada’s approach to enforcing its extraterritorial child sex offender law has been passive, it is likely not deterring child sex offenders from travelling overseas to seek out victims.

Donald Bakker, the only individual convicted to date under our law, was initially being investigated for abusing prostitutes in the Vancouver area. It was by chance that a police search discovered evidence of his abuse of children overseas and led to charges for those allegations.

Similarly, charges laid in February against Armand Huard and Denis Rochefort of Quebec City under our extraterritorial child sex offender law only took place after the Government of Haiti contacted United Nations officials about allegations that the aid workers were sexually abusing orphans. It was only at that point that the RCMP and Sûreté du Québec got involved.

Unlike Australia and the United States which actively employ liaison officers in child sex tourism hotspots to facilitate investigations and cooperate with local authorities, Canada’s RCMP liaison officer program does not appear to have a pro-active mandate to enforce our extraterritorial child sex offender law. That needs to change, beginning with a focus on Southeast Asia.

Committing to Combat Child Sex Exploitation Abroad

As Canadians, we view ourselves as good global citizens. Unfortunately, at the moment we are contributing more to the global problem of child sexual exploitation than we are to the solution. We need to start with addressing the serious harm that some Canadians are causing by sexually exploiting children in developing countries.

Our extraterritorial child sex offender law is sound under international law. Prosecutors should not hesitate to lay charges where sufficient evidence exists. What is needed is a deliberate policy-shift towards actively enforcing this law, together with a commitment of law enforcement resources to make that a reality.

Benjamin Perrin is assistant professor at the UBC’s faculty of law and is a faculty associate at the Liu Institute for Global Issues. He is a member of the Law Society of Upper Canada and founder of The Future Group, a non-governmental organization that combats human trafficking and child sex tourism.

 

[Machjo]

In case you weren't aware, he has the same rights as his victims and any other Canadian citizen.

Agreed. I'm all for capital punishment for certain crimes, though I'm uncertain as to where i stand there on paedophilia. I'm also for prison labour.

That said, presumption of innocence in one basic right all have until found guilty in a court of law. Another ought to be the right to be charged, tried and convicted according to the laws of the jurisdiction in which one committed the crime. And another is equal treatment before te law. Regardless of his crimes, if let's say the law says five years for paedophilia, regardless of my opinion, your, or even the judges for that matter, the judge must prosecute according to the law (even he is not above the law). While we can petition the government to change the law, even then one is to be tried and convicted according to how the law was at the time he committed the crime (again, whether we agree with it or not). these would seem to be basic principle, but now it would seem anyone who believes in this is a paedophile.

 

[TenPenny]

o.k. **shaking head**

What part of he broke the Canadian extraterritorial child sex offender laws, do you not understand.

I'm not sure what part of my posts you don't understand, but obviously you don't understand very much.

All Canadian citizens have the same rights. Think about it, and try to figure it out.

 

[B00Mer]

All Canadian citizens have the same rights. Think about it, and try to figure it out.

What part do you not understand, or is comprehension not your strong suit, he has the same rights as all Canadian citizens and broke a Canadian law which he has been subsequently arrested for.