Polar Bears, Polar Bears Everywhere

[MapleDog]

Go ask one.I doubt it. Yep.Black bears stand, grizzlies stand, Tibetan bears stand, Kermode bears stand, polar bears stand, Kodiaks stand, etc. Just full of red herrings and strawman arguments aren'tcha?


Funny. I don't see them eating anything. They look like they are changing location to me.

Yeah i think all bears stand up,find me a bear who does not.

 

[L Gilbert]

Yeah i think all bears stand up,find me a bear who does not.

Well, I think teddy bears have weak legs or something.

 

[MapleDog]

Well, I think teddy bears have weak legs or something.

Good one

 

[petros]

Go ask one.I doubt it.
Funny. I don't see them eating anything. Thjey look like they are changing location to me.

Why would I have to ask one. They are plains grazers first and foremost whether alpine of prairie. It's strange the title of the photo is "polar bears foraging".

This one too because dammit, polar bears just never have foraged.

They were never pegged as omnivores thousands of years ago for no reason. It's not like Europe has any or anything like that and it was never possible to see a polar bear forage until the day after global warming started.

 

[L Gilbert]

Why would I have to ask one. They are plains grazers first and foremost whether alpine of prairie. It's strange the title of the photo is "polar bears foraging".

This one too because dammit, polar bears just never have foraged.

They were never pegged as omnivores thousands of years ago for no reason. It's not like Europe has any or anything like that and it was never possible to see a polar bear forage until the day after global warming started.

So?

I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm not someone that claimed bears aren't omnivores. My claim, and it's easily researched to be true is that grizzlies were not originally a prairie animal and they still mainly aren't.
Like I said, you're just plimb full of red herrings and strawman arguments.

 

[spaminator]

coke commercial polar bear - YouTube

 

[MapleDog]

I Love Sky - YouTube

 

[petros]

So?

So so suck my toe all the way to the plains of Mexico!

Some goofy bear conservation outfit makes the opposite claim you do. How come?

The grizzly bear was originally an animal of the Great Plains, but it may have begun a retreat to the west when the Plains Indians began to use horses for hunting. It was then pushed out of the plains and into the mountains by the westward advance of European settlers in North America, in the 18th and 19th Centuries. As recently as the early 1920's grizzly bears still existed as far south as California and Arizona, populating every western state of the continental United States between there and the Canadian border. In only 80 years since, however, the exponential growth of the human population in the west, and all its attendant development, has reduced this range to a contiguous area encompassing Montana from the Rocky Mountains west, and northern Idaho. Technically separated from this, the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem still supports a good population of grizzly bears. Otherwise, the only grizzly bears remaining south of Canada are in the North Cascades of Washington State.

Ursus International | Grizzly Bears

 

[MapleDog]

Yeah humans invade the habitats of these animals,but if one of them attack an invader,people freak out,and want it dead.

 

[L Gilbert]

So so suck my toe all the way to the plains of Mexico!

Nah. Have no interest in either going to Mexico or sucking your toe.
You mad?

Some goofy bear conservation outfit makes the opposite claim you do. How come?



Ursus International | Grizzly Bears

They haven't done their research, would be my guess. They should have asked paleontologists.
https://www.google.ca/webhp?rlz=1C1GGGE_enCA433CA434&sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&gs_nf=1&tok=M1ZgCipbju9sIkZByREQ0g&pq=grizzlies%20are%20thought%20to%20stem%20from%20narrow-skulled%20bears%20which%20migrated%20from%20northern%20siberia%20to%20central%20alaska&cp=42&gs_id=g&xhr=t&q=grizzlies%20%20narrow-skulled%20bears%20%20migrated%20Siberia%20to%20central%20Alaska&pf=p&safe=off&rlz=1C1GGGE_enCA433CA434&sclient=psy-ab&oq=grizzlies++narrow-skulled+bears++migrated+Siberia+to+central+Alaska&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=d32c91d5da33591b&ion=1&biw=1900&bih=909&bs=1

 

[petros]

Kurten and Anderson (1980) suggest the possibility of 2 independent migrations; narrow-skulled bears from northern Siberia through central Alaska to the rest of the continent (PLAINS) becoming U. a. horribilis, (grizzly bear).

It was from one of the site in the google link posted. Thanks

 

[L Gilbert]

Ursus arctos migrated to Europe and Nor Am at the same time.

Kurten and Anderson (1980) suggest the possibility of 2 independent migrations; narrow-skulled bears from northern Siberia through central Alaska to the rest of the continent (PLAINS) becoming U. a. horribilis, (grizzly bear).

Thanks. 2 independent migrations of the brown bear. One became the grizzly, and that is the one from eastern Russia that migrated to NA. And most grizzlies settled in uninhabited areas. Seeing as people tend to like relatively flat, lower-altitude areas to live in, that leaves the rougher terrains for the bears.
Cute how you added the "(PLAINS)" to the copy n paste you provided. As if the "rest of the continent" is prairies and plains.

Eurasian "prairies (they call them steppes)

Again, the grizzlies were not originally a prairie bear nor are the majority of them now.

 

[petros]

Seeing as people tend to like relatively flat, lower-altitude areas to live in that leaves the rougher terrains for the bears.

That were covered Kms thick in glacial ice?

 

[L Gilbert]

roflmao North Am has km-thick glacial ice in the remaining areas where grizzlies and people live? Must be invisible I guess.

I found a pic of Petros:

 

[petros]

Now you are back pedalling to REMAINING areas?

 

[L Gilbert]

Now you are back pedalling to REMAINING areas?

No backpedaling. Just trying to sort out your confusion for you.

 

[Kakato]

Funny. Everything I come across says that this may have happened in the past but there is no proof. On the other hand it seems that in the last ten years as polar bears are pushed south by loss of ice it is happening now.

They allways go north as the ice melts on the Hudsons bay,like clockwork every year.
Why would they get pushed south where there is no ice?
When it starts melting in the south of Hudsons bay like Churchill all sorts of carcasses start washing up on the beach,they follow that north mostly on the eastern side and make their way up past Rankin inlet.

They go where the food is,bears are real opportunists.

So?

I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm not someone that claimed bears aren't omnivores. My claim, and it's easily researched to be true is that grizzlies were not originally a prairie animal and they still mainly aren't.
Like I said, you're just plimb full of red herrings and strawman arguments.

Maybe you should do some research on the Griz in North America.
The ignorance here is astounding.

A quick google search would confirm they were more on the praries then the mountains in North America.
I allready knew that though.

Arctic Willow turns bright red in the late summer. To better help it gather as much of the suns waining warmth as it can.

It literally covers acres and acres.

And the locals say if it is still red in early september then you have a month of good weather left before you have to winterize the camp.
Typically you start shutting down exploration camps that far north in early september.
I never did know what it was called or forgot but it covers thousands of miles of tundra and doesn't grow very high.
Here's a pic of it and a ptarmigan.

More.

This is what an forest looks like in the Arctic barrenlands's.
About 3 inches high.

This is why you shut down the camp in september.

Polar bears cannot adapt to this change any more than you could adapt to a diet of poison ivy. Those adaptations take hundreds, probably thousands. of years. What is happening is happening in a few decades. Cloth ears and blinkered eyes are all that can account for this denial of their predicament. It has been conclusively shown that they are in trouble in every one of the twenty something populations. They are declining in numbers in some; on health in others. In the few that are still stable, the ice conditions are coming a little more slowly but will affect then within a few years.



Why do you persist with this, kakato? The melt started three weeks earlier this year than is the long term norm. It will continue until later. Ice throughout the Arctic is now at the lowest extent in the record and probably at any time since the Ice Age. Even that is deceptive because the old, thicker ice is disappearing altogether and the new ice is too fragile for the bears.

It's common knowledge in the north when winter starts,give or take 3 weeks,hope the red tundra explained it for ya.
Thats why all the barges get frozen every year on Hudsons bay eh?

Or maybe it has something to do with the lack of sunshine.A common phenomena in the arctic in the winter.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

They allways go north as the ice melts on the Hudsons bay,like clockwork every year.
Why would they get pushed south where there is no ice?
When it starts melting in the south of Hudsons bay like Churchill all sorts of carcasses start washing up on the beach,they follow that north mostly on the eastern side and make their way up past Rankin inlet.

They go where the food is,bears are real opportunists.


Maybe you should do some research on the Griz in North America.
The ignorance here is astounding.

A quick google search would confirm they were more on the praries then the mountains in North America.
I allready knew that though.



And the locals say if it is still red in early september then you have a month of good weather left before you have to winterize the camp.
Typically you start shutting down exploration camps that far north in early september.
I never did know what it was called or forgot but it covers thousands of miles of tundra and doesn't grow very high.
Here's a pic of it and a ptarmigan.

More.

This is what an forest looks like in the Arctic barrenlands's.
About 3 inches high.

This is why you shut down the camp in september.

It's common knowledge in the north when winter starts,give or take 3 weeks,hope the red tundra explained it for ya.
Thats why all the barges get frozen every year on Hudsons bay eh?

Or maybe it has something to do with the lack of sunshine.A common phenomena in the arctic in the winter.

The "argumentum ad populum" fallacy, kakato. You have to back it up.

 

[beaker]

They allways go north as the ice melts on the Hudsons bay,like clockwork every year.
Why would they get pushed south where there is no ice?
When it starts melting in the south of Hudsons bay like Churchill all sorts of carcasses start washing up on the beach,they follow that north mostly on the eastern side and make their way up past Rankin inlet.

Cool photos. So when the white bears get through springtime in the arctic and the ice just keeps moving north, out of swimming range for example, and they can't get there mainstay of their diet, what would their next reaction be? I expect they head south.

 

[CDNBear]

And the locals say if it is still red in early september then you have a month of good weather left before you have to winterize the camp.
Typically you start shutting down exploration camps that far north in early september.
I never did know what it was called or forgot but it covers thousands of miles of tundra and doesn't grow very high.
Here's a pic of it and a ptarmigan.

More.

This is what an forest looks like in the Arctic barrenlands's.

About 3 inches high.

Gee thanks Kakato.

But I've been there, I already know.

The "argumentum ad populum" fallacy, kakato.

I'm not surprised you know what that is, since the bulk of your posts, hinge on it.

You have to back it up.

Oh that's rich!!!