Why The Obama Economic Recovery Is The Weakest In History

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- There is, of course, considerable controversy as to whether the current dismal economic growth rate can even be called a recovery or whether it is actually a harbinger of a double dip recession. Certainly the trending is toward the latter with last quarter 2011 results somewhat encouraging at 4% and change, 1st quarter 2012 economic growth down to 2% and 2nd quarter 2012 growth down further to an anemic 1.5%.

- And BO's BS and bafflegab about how the reason the recovery is so anorexic is because the economy was so far down when he took power doesn't hold any water at all. Both history and logic suggest that when the bottom is particularly far down, then growth is much more dramatic, percentage - wise. when a real recovery actually begins.

- If you wonder why the recovery after over 40 months of Obama is so anemic, you will find several important clues in this excellent column by Thomas Sowell which compliments some of the information and analysis found in Klein's recent book "The Amateur" on the Obama White House.

- The underlying theme of both these accounts is that Obama and his Chicago mugs, thugs and slugs have failed due to a stunning and toxic combination of ignorance and arrogance. And this ignorance and arrogance results in wrong headed decisions that do not achieve desired objectives and also makes the investors and the decision makers and job creators in the competitive market sector reluctant to take the risks and make the efforts that they would in a more positive and predictable tax and regulatory environment

- The Chicago gang's ignorance is boundless when it comes to lacking necessary experience, knowledge and skills in the areas such as business and finance and health care and national defence and security that they are so enthusiastically and incompetently regulating, controlling and telling what to do and even how to do it.

- Their arrogance - which tends to be a common trait among the big government liberal set going back at least as far as FDR and, arguably, Wilson - persuades them that no matter how little actual experience and knowledge they have in business and finance and other areas, somehow government (meaning them) knows best and not only can but should seek to intervene in and regulate all aspects of these complex areas and that their judgement is invariably superior to that of the marketplace.

- What both puzzles and worries me - as it obviously does Sowell - is that for an increasing percentage of Americans, especially on the left-lib side of the poilitical divide - ignorance is a badge of honour and perhaps now is even becoming a prerequisite for the presidency.

For some, ‘ignorance’ is liberating

When you don’t even know enough to realize how little you know

By Thomas Sowell

Saturday, July 28, 2012 07:08 PM EDT

Even squirrels know enough to store nuts, so that they will have something to eat when food gets scarce. But the welfare state has spawned a whole class of people who spend everything they get when times are good, and look to others to provide for their food and other basic needs when times turn bad.

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution prescribes “equal protection of the laws�� to all Americans. But what does that mean, if the President of the United States can arbitrarily grant waivers, so that A, B and C have to obey the laws but X, Y and Z do not — as with both ObamaCare and the immigration laws?

Two reports came out in the same week. One was from the Pentagon, saying that, in just a few years, Iran will be able to produce not only a nuclear bomb but a missile capable of carrying it to the United States. The other report said that the American Olympic team has uniforms made in China. This latter report received far more attention, both in Congress and in the media.

People who lament gridlock in Washington, and express the pious hope that Democrats and Republicans would put aside their partisan conflicts, and co-operate to help the economy recover, implicitly assume that what the economy needs is more meddling by politicians, which is what brought on economic disaster in the first place. (Skeptics can read “The Housing Boom and Bust.�� )

Racism is not dead, but it is on life support — kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as “racists.��

One of the arguments for Medicare is that the elderly don’t want to be a burden to their children. Apparently it is all right to be a burden to other people’s children, who are paying taxes.

One of the most dangerous trends of our times is making the truth socially unacceptable, or even illegal, with “hate speech�� laws.

It is supposed to be terrible, for example, to call an illegal alien an “illegal alien�� or to call an Islamic terrorist an “Islamic terrorist.�� When the media refer to “undocumented�� workers or to violence committed by “militants,�� who is kidding whom — and why?

After the charismatic — and disastrous — Woodrow Wilson presidency, the voters did not elect another president in the next decade who could be considered the least bit charismatic. Let us hope that history repeats itself.

For more than two centuries, the U.S. military never had a public celebration of anybody’s sex life — until the recent “gay pride�� event under the Obama administration. Here, as elsewhere, the gay political agenda is not equality but privilege.

Franklin D. Roosevelt famously said, “We have nothing to fear but fear itself.�� Then he proceeded to generate fear among businesses for years on end, with both his anti-business rhetoric and his anti-business policies.

Barack Obama is repeating the same approach and getting the same results — namely, an agonizingly slow economic recovery, as investors hang on to their money, instead of risking it in a hostile political environment.

If we wake up some morning and find some American cities in radioactive ruins, courtesy of a nuclear Iran, nobody is going to care whether the president who lets this happen is the first black president or the last WASP president. But, in the meantime, many people will keep on voting for symbolism, as if an election is a popularity contest.

There seems to be something “liberating�� about ignorance — especially when you don’t even know enough to realize how little you know. Thus an administration loaded with people who have never run any business is gung-ho to tell businesses what to do, as well as gung-ho to tell the medical profession what to do, lenders whom to lend to, and the military how to fight wars.

— Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University
 

tay

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Maybe they should explain what role Congress may have in creating jobs.

As much as the statement But the welfare state has spawned a whole class of people who spend everything they get when times are good, and look to others to provide for their food and other basic needs when times turn bad. is accurate to an extent it should really say Privatize the Profits, Socialize the Losses.


JP Morgan Chase gets massive corporate welfare, to the tune of $14 Billion a Year of taxpayer dollars.

OpEdNews - Dear Mr. Dimon, Is Your Bank Getting Corporate Welfare? $14 Billion In US Subsidies Annually??



Shifting $100 billion of fossil-fuel subsidies over the next 10 years into backing for renewables would go far toward building an alternative energy infrastructure by leveraging hundreds of billions in private investment. Indeed, such subsidies have already helped Iowa to generate 19 percent of its electricity from wind turbines.

Daily Kos: Bernie Sanders goes after fossil-fuel subsidies again. Maybe somebody will listen someday
 

Bar Sinister

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There is another and better reason for the slow US recovery. The near collapse of the US economy was a signal for major reforms in the US both fiscally, monetarily, and socially. Unfortunately except for his health care reforms (which took a big chunk of the first two years of his presidency to push through) Obama has been unable to achieve much in the way of change, primarily due to a Congress that repeatedly blocks almost every initiative and a media that screams about the sky falling whenever meaningful economic and social reforms are suggested.

Most of what the writer of the article states shows that he is out of touch with reality. Either that or he is just making things up. In fact there are so many contradictions and uninformed statements that is it surprising anyone bothered to publish this article. Just to name a few:

Franklin D. Roosevelt famously said, “We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Then he proceeded to generate fear among businesses for years on end, with both his anti-business rhetoric and his anti-business policies. Quoting FDR out of context. Roosevelt was talking about the chaos of the Great Depression and telling people to calm down. He was not trying to stir up more anxiety.

One of the arguments for Medicare is that the elderly don’t want to be a burden to their children. Apparently it is all right to be a burden to other people’s children, who are paying taxes. This is a selective example of facts. There is much more to medicare than caring for the elderly, but the writer ignores all other aspects.

People who lament gridlock in Washington, and express the pious hope that Democrats and Republicans would put aside their partisan conflicts, and co-operate to help the economy recover, implicitly assume that what the economy needs is more meddling by politicians, which is what brought on economic disaster in the first place. (Skeptics can read “The Housing Boom and Bust.) Classic misrepresentation of facts. The economic crisis of 2008 was not caused by too much government involvement, it was caused by an almost complete lack of it.

Two reports came out in the same week. One was from the Pentagon, saying that, in just a few years, Iran will be able to produce not only a nuclear bomb but a missile capable of carrying it to the United States. The other report said that the American Olympic team has uniforms made in China. This latter report received far more attention, both in Congress and in the media. Fearmongering. No country on the face of the Earth is suicidal enough to launchto launch a nuclear attack on the US. Although I will admit he is right about the trivialization of issues in the US

But, in the meantime, many people will keep on voting for symbolism, as if an election is a popularity contest. If a modern election is not a popularity contest then I don`t know what it is. Maybe it shouldn`t be, but no one would deny that modern voters tend to vote more for personalities than issues; mainly because issues are hard to understand.
 

Kreskin

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What a piece of crap. The Republicans have run the country into the ground. Wonder how a country went broke? Check the pockets.
 
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Walter

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What a piece of crap. The Republicans have run the country into the ground. Wonder how a country when broke? Check the pockets.
Bloody Kennedys, Soros, Johnsons, Clintons, Gores, Clooneys, Moores, Buffetts, Roosevelts et al. Rebubs, indeed.
 

Highball

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In short he has surrounded himself with inept counselors. Geithner is finally having to talk about his failures while the President of the New York FED. This guy truly has no clue about what he is doing. Then Napolitano as the Homeland Security Chief. She couldn't track and elephant that had a profuse nose bleed through to 10 foot deep snow bank and she couldn't lead a thirsty horse to water either. If it wasn't for the Defense Secretary Panetta the whole circus would have collapsed by now.
 

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- There is, of course, considerable controversy as to whether the current dismal economic growth rate can even be called a recovery or whether it is actually a harbinger of a double dip recession. Certainly the trending is toward the latter with last quarter 2011 results somewhat encouraging at 4% and change, 1st quarter 2012 economic growth down to 2% and 2nd quarter 2012 growth down further to an anemic 1.5%.

- And BO's BS and bafflegab about how the reason the recovery is so anorexic is because the economy was so far down when he took power doesn't hold any water at all. Both history and logic suggest that when the bottom is particularly far down, then growth is much more dramatic, percentage - wise. when a real recovery actually begins.

That's about the biggest misnomer I've seen this week. Want to see an economy that is "far down", take a look at Ethiopia or Somalia! Americans and Canadians are actually wallowing in wealth and it's going to choke us if we're not careful.
 

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Now don't go dissing Somalia. It is the shining star of conservatism, the land of absolutely no pesky regulations of any kind..............
 

Bar Sinister

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That's about the biggest misnomer I've seen this week. Want to see an economy that is "far down", take a look at Ethiopia or Somalia! Americans and Canadians are actually wallowing in wealth and it's going to choke us if we're not careful.

Actually Canadians and Americans are wallowing in personal debt. I'm not sure if you call that wealth. But yes, not too many of us are starving to death. However, this post is not about Somalia or Ethiopia and I doubt that the average minimum wage earner or the struggling middle income earner in the US and Canada really cares much about the problems of failed states.
 

JLM

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Actually Canadians and Americans are wallowing in personal debt. I'm not sure if you call that wealth. But yes, not too many of us are starving to death. However, this post is not about Somalia or Ethiopia and I doubt that the average minimum wage earner or the struggling middle income earner in the US and Canada really cares much about the problems of failed states.

Yeah, for most it probably wouldn't translate to "wealth", but even if they got their equity out of the junk they've accumulated they could probably subsist for ten years at the level experienced in third world countries.
 

Kreskin

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The Republicans promised to turn the economy completely around if they got control of the Senate. They got control. Did they fail to live up to a campaign promise?

Seems all they've done is try to sabotage the economy in an attempt to smear Democrats.
 

Bar Sinister

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Yeah, for most it probably wouldn't translate to "wealth", but even if they got their equity out of the junk they've accumulated they could probably subsist for ten years at the level experienced in third world countries.

True enough. But once again we are not talking about developing nations. A proper comparison of the US is to other nations with a similar level of development and resources. In that sense it fails badly. There should not be such incredible disparities between rich and poor in the wealthiest nation that has ever existed. After all hasn't it always been the boast of the US that everyone can succeed iif they simply work hard? That claim has been pretty much shot to bits by millions of fully employed Americans who have seen real prosperity pass them by.
 

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True enough. But once again we are not talking about developing nations. A proper comparison of the US is to other nations with a similar level of development and resources. In that sense it fails badly. There should not be such incredible disparities between rich and poor in the wealthiest nation that has ever existed. After all hasn't it always been the boast of the US that everyone can succeed if they simply work hard? That claim has been pretty much shot to bits by millions of fully employed Americans who have seen real prosperity pass them by.

Perhaps partly, but not everyone works hard, of course some fail solely through bad luck too!

I'd be interested in seeing a comparison of figures between U.S. and Canada showing percentage under $20,000, percentage $20,000- $30,000, percentage $30,000 - $40,000 and so on. I think the numbers might be fairly similar.
 

Bar Sinister

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Perhaps partly, but not everyone works hard, of course some fail solely through bad luck too!

I'd be interested in seeing a comparison of figures between U.S. and Canada showing percentage under $20,000, percentage $20,000- $30,000, percentage $30,000 - $40,000 and so on. I think the numbers might be fairly similar.


Quite right. Canada has not only copies US tax structure, but has actually exceeded it. Corporate income taxes in Canada are now lower than the US. Not only that, but Canada has no inheritance tax making it possible for wealthy Canadaias to concentrate their wealth over generations; something that even the US has not yet done.
 

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WHY??? Take a look at Geithner, Bernanke, Dodd and Frank plus Waters. That is why. Need we state more names of incompetents?
We could also print Mikulski, Schumer, Conyers and Rangel, but I'll be nice. How many more incompetent names sitting in the Congress do you want to see?
 

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The recovery is weak because it's a "balance sheet recession," which is a recession caused by an implosion of asset prices and the collapse of credit. This is what balance sheet recoveries look like. We've seen this elsewhere in the world before. It just hasn't happened in America for 70 years. It won't right itself until the excesses in the housing and debt markets are cleared away, which, if you do the math, will be by 2014 or so. Yes, Obama has sucked and his policies are holding back a recovery, but that's on the margin. Even if you had the most pro-business administration and Congress, the recovery would still be slow.
 

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The recovery is weak because it's a "balance sheet recession," which is a recession caused by an implosion of asset prices and the collapse of credit. This is what balance sheet recoveries look like. We've seen this elsewhere in the world before. It just hasn't happened in America for 70 years. It won't right itself until the excesses in the housing and debt markets are cleared away, which, if you do the math, will be by 2014 or so. Yes, Obama has sucked and his policies are holding back a recovery, but that's on the margin. Even if you had the most pro-business administration and Congress, the recovery would still be slow.

Apparently this running mate of Romney's is a real whiz kid and has all the answers to get things straightened so maybe Obama's days aren't long.
 

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The other report said that the American Olympic team has uniforms made in China. This latter report received far more attention, both in Congress and in the media.

What better candidate then to elect than Romney? The firm he started is the majority owner of a company that, while profitable, is now shipping a factory over seas to China, literally. And to add insult to injury, the Chinese workers that will work in the new plant are being trained by the employees in Freeport Illinois who will soon be out of work.

'I'm sick to my stomach': anger builds in Illinois at Bain's latest outsourcing plan | Business | guardian.co.uk

And just how is it Obama's fault that Ralph Lauren wants to make suits in China? :lol:

There's plenty to rip Obama for, it's just fortunate for Obama that what his opponent stands for as a business leader is so loathsome to most who have to work for a living.