Progessive Genius: Don't Use Word "Abortion."

[Bar Sinister]

Killing a baby is birth control. Interesting. I know, I know, it's not a "baby", it's a fetus or some other "scientific" designation to make the abortionists feel good about what they support.

No, birth control is birth control. Abortion simply happens to be the most effective method. Anti-abortionists for the most part are also anti-family planning, anti-birth control pill, anti IUD, etc. etc. The anti-abortion stance is just a screen for what they really value, imposition of their religious beliefs on others.

 

[Praxius]

instead, call it "premature fetal ejaculation."

 

[CDNBear]

Nobody in their right mind calls this a person:

And there are two very good reasons for that.

And those would be?

 

[DaSleeper]

No, birth control is birth control. Abortion simply happens to be the most effective method. Anti-abortionists for the most part are also anti-family planning, anti-birth control pill, anti IUD, etc. etc. The anti-abortion stance is just a screen for what they really value, imposition of their religious beliefs on others.

I'm sure you believe that:roll:

 

[TenPenny]

Just goes to show that stupidity covers both sides in issues like this.

 

[Niflmir]

And those would be?

Well the first is that it is an 11 week old embryo.

 

[CDNBear]

Well the first is that it is an 11 week old embryo.

And that's not a living human embryo?

What's the second?

 

[Niflmir]

And that's not a living human embryo?

What's the second?

Just so.

That is the second reason.

 

[CDNBear]

Just so.

That is the second reason.

Huh?

 

[Niflmir]

Huh?

It's an embryo from an elephant.

 

[CDNBear]

It's an embryo from an elephant.

LOL, you win.

Does the fact that they're indistinguishable to the eye make a difference though?

Not to me, they're both, life.

 

[Niflmir]

LOL, you win.

Does the fact that they're indistinguishable to the eye make a difference though?

Not to me, they're both, life.

Sure, they are both life in the same sense that a mosquito is life. Life, and even human life, in and of itself has no implicit qualities that makes its destruction morally wrong. We are not special.

Punishing wanton deaths, like all of morality, is a social construct. Not something which is implicit in the universe. It is beneficial to society to allow women the choice of what is inside of their uterus. If we could separate the living blastula from the remnants of the uteral lining after Plan B does its work, there wouldn't even be a death.

 

[CDNBear]

Sure, they are both life in the same sense that a mosquito is life.

I disagree.

 

[Niflmir]

I disagree.

I don't understand, a mosquito is not alive?

 

[CDNBear]

I don't understand, a mosquito is not alive?

Of course it is. But unless you're a PETA nutter, a mosquito isn't the same as a human, or an Elephant for that matter.

 

[Niflmir]

Of course it is. But unless you're a PETA nutter, a mosquito isn't the same as a human, or an Elephant for that matter.

Right, but I meant it simply as a matter of intrinsic qualities. You can build up all kinds of ways of classifying and distinguishing different forms of life, but none of them have any intrinsic value no method of classifying life is superior a priori. They have social value; I'm sure you and I both eat meat and understand that.

 

[CDNBear]

Right, but I meant it simply as a matter of intrinsic qualities. You can build up all kinds of ways of classifying and distinguishing different forms of life, but none of them have any intrinsic value no method of classifying life is superior a priori. They have social value; I'm sure you and I both eat meat and understand that.

Absolutely.

But as a society, we already have a commonality in the value of human life.

It's just easier to compartmentalize, when it's a gross little thing, out of sight.

 

[gerryh]

It's an embryo from an elephant.

And that has what to do with aborting a HUMAN embryo? We aren't talking about elephants or dogs or cats or chickens or any other animal. We are talking about humans.

 

[Niflmir]

Absolutely.

But as a society, we already have a commonality in the value of human life.

It's just easier to compartmentalize, when it's a gross little thing, out of sight.

Last time I checked, human life by itself meant very little. "Any male in a targeted area is considered a militant," being the latest ethical glossing.

It is not that it is out of sight or gross. The fact of the matter remains, the blastula could (in principle) be separated from the remnants of the lining of the uterus after taking the abortion pill. Since this is the case, it is clearly not murder. The cellular death arises because society deems it not worthwhile to go to the effort of preserving it. The same is true of the morning after pill and even aspiration in most cases. In most cases there is no active destruction, merely removal from a host.

 

[Bar Sinister]

I'm sure you believe that:roll:

I have a horrible tendency to believe the truth. Can you refute a single point? Good luck trying.