Truther? Maybe if he's blasting away with phazers and photon torpedoes he can heat things up to the point where it was three billion years ago - when the ball of gas freshly solidified.
Oil Sand Myths
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The whole 2.5 million years has been an ice age. There have been four minor exacerbations within that time. THE ice age began that time ago.
The mini ages within that have seen temperatures drop by a few degrees leaving a large part of the Earth habitable by man. In that 2.5 million years th temperature regime has moved withn a quite narrow range. We are, for the first time in three million years or so, about to break out of the pattern. The last time, large areas of the tropics were too hot for human, and most mammalian, occupation and the Oceans were 25 metres higher than they are now.
Well then we should be going great guns and full speed ahead to launch from this inhospitable place. Beam us up, Mister Scott....
We can't halt natural cycles....
We can't halt natural cycles....
No their isnt,Ive worked in all kinds of gold,silver,coal and oilsands mines and they all use identical equipment and identical techniques.Thats why a few hundred of the guys I worked with do move around in the industry,exact same mining methods,oil used brackish water for processing,gold uses cyanide most times.
If your trying to seperate mining methods from the oilsands and other mines in your attempt to fullfill your agenda of all oil bad then you will lose the debate in a heartbeat.
With 35 years in the industry I think im a tad more "informed" then you on mining.
Teck
Mannix
Manalta
cnrl
Tercon
cnr
luscar sterco
fording
Sabina gold and silver
melidianne mining
suncor are just a handfull of mining outfits I have worked with.
Carry on.
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So flossy,I have been waiting a day for you to answer my question,you seem to be eluding it.
So do you agree the bigger mines are more productive and efficient then smaller ones?
They have 400 and 450 tonne haulers right now,biggest in the world and the only thing holding them back from even bigger trucks is tires,they dont make one tough enough yet for anything bigger but I remember when they built the terex titan here,it was 350 metric tonnes and would haul as much as she wieghed,biggest in the world at the time and commissioned by J. Edgar Kaiser himself,he even had playboy bunnies flown in for the photo shoot.
When the trucks get bigger,the shovels get bigger as does the rest of the equipment and the big mines use Electric diggers,way more enviro friendly and a third the cost of a diesel or diesel electric.
The developed pits in a big mine can be run entirely by electricity,the big trucks in some mines dont even need operators,they drive themselves.
So do you agree the bigger mines are more productive and efficient then smaller ones?
They have 400 and 450 tonne haulers right now,biggest in the world and the only thing holding them back from even bigger trucks is tires,they dont make one tough enough yet for anything bigger but I remember when they built the terex titan here,it was 350 metric tonnes and would haul as much as she wieghed,biggest in the world at the time and commissioned by J. Edgar Kaiser himself,he even had playboy bunnies flown in for the photo shoot.
When the trucks get bigger,the shovels get bigger as does the rest of the equipment and the big mines use Electric diggers,way more enviro friendly and a third the cost of a diesel or diesel electric.
The developed pits in a big mine can be run entirely by electricity,the big trucks in some mines dont even need operators,they drive themselves.
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Otherwise known as scientists?
This isn't about ideology, it's about allowing the best information to inform policy.
And it's not like we live in world where given the opportunity industry and commercial interests will follow the moral or even the sane path. History is full of examples of private interests working against the public good in the interests of short term profits, let companies focus on profit and stop trying to direct political policy that can affect the lives of millions. When they're not screaming for bailouts after totally mismanaging themselves they want tax breaks, subsidies and relaxed environmental standards so they don't actually have to perform in a competetive environment.
Kind of hard to have a reasoned debate with people who've only taken the time to learn enough about a subject to shout down the other party.
I guess if you totally lack a conscience then playing around with a subject that has already had significant negative effects on millions of people and almost certainly will have the same on billions, will be fun.
Kind of sums up the conservative atitude, "We're so above you all we don't have to give a crap".
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When you stop talking of all the places you have worked, Kakato, and understand that there is a whole world out there, you may come closer to some understanding of this issue. When tens of thousands of scientists are agreed about what is happening in fields that they are expert in: when every government in the world except the Canadian is expressing its concern and developing plans to deal with the problem - inadequate plans except for a few. When ehe National Academies of science in every major country have issued a joint declaration of their conviction of the accuracy of the science and the calamitous predictions, then every citized should wake up.
Ranged against all that are a few rogue scientists who have no researched evidence and the beneficiaries controlling certain industries who profit from the destruction.
Ranged against all that are a few rogue scientists who have no researched evidence and the beneficiaries controlling certain industries who profit from the destruction.
Well said.
Canada has gone from a world leader to a regressive and irresponsible nation under the Conservatives. Our government spends so much time trying to figure out how to avoid dealing with reality that we're consistently left with less and less of what makes us great.
significant negative effects on millions? What millions would that be and what are the negative effects?
Im real life experienced,not internet schooled,theres a huge difference,maybe some day you will understand grasshopper.
I'm not here to explain every little thing for you.
Do a little research on your own, you can start by googling climate change and things like floods, tornados, hurricanes, droughts, rising sea levels, disappearance of important ecosystems(like coral reefs) and more. Millions of lives have already been affected by climate change, it's here already, not something that's coming in the future.
Some books you might try:
Thin Ice- Mark Bowen
The Weather Makers- Tim Flannery
Storms of My Grandchildren- James Hansen.
Plus there are numerous peer-reviewed articles available on the subject out there.
One negative effect on people is that there are already 50 million climate change refugees. It is projected that in Bangladesh alone there will be twenty million by 2020 - in just eight more years.
This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.
—Lowell Ponte in “The Cooling”, 1976
If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. … This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.
—Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)
Also the Darfur conflict was most likely caused by declining water resources in the region due to climate change.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/jun/23/sudan.climatechange
Through global conflicts alone in the coming decades climate change is going to cost far more than the amount of benefit we get from using fossil fuels.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/jun/23/sudan.climatechange
Through global conflicts alone in the coming decades climate change is going to cost far more than the amount of benefit we get from using fossil fuels.
There are ominous signs that the earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production—with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon… The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it.
—Newsweek, April 28, (1975)
This is fun....next!
In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish.
—Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970)
And what weight in the argument do a couple of magazine articles and a couple of journalists carry? It might be fun to anyone suffering from autism and daily and repetitiously banging their head against a wall.
Not to intelligent, sane people who know the difference between science and entertainment.
We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects…. We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land.
—David Foreman, Earth First!
What we’ve got to do in energy conservation is try to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, to have approached global warming as if it is real means energy conservation, so we will be doing the right thing anyway in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.
—Timothy Wirth, former U.S. Senator (D-Colorado)
You are my entertainment,did I mention I have no tv here in sk? lol!
So, the message here is that the information that was presented is without merit unless it is from a source that you approve?... Might I go further and assume that the 'approved sources' incorporate a select opinion, ideal or science?
That's nothing short of a mugs game; ultimately a self-fulfilling prophecy.