Climate change: Carbon dioxide emissions reach record high

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Think back to any chemistry classes you took, and remember how buffers work...add acid, and it buffers to neutral, add base, and it buffers the opposite direction to neutral.

What Chemistry class did jhklat take? Adding acid lowers the pH. It only buffers if the solution has hydroxide ions in high enough concentration for the solution to have a pH above 7, and it would only buffer to neutral if you choose a conjugate acid with a pKa value and enough of it to get to 7 given whatever pH the solution was at before the acid was added. Vice versa for a base. Also, you can't buffer a solution in the opposite direction to neutral. That's like saying from the opposite direction of zero, when the set of numbers includes positive and negative integers. Both directions lead away from zero. Buffering a solution actually moves the pH towards neutral...Nonsense.

This person couldn't have done very well in their chemistry classes.

In this case, no matter what CO2 humans emit, atmospheric CO2 levels are driven by temperatures - so like a buffer, if we emit a lot of CO2, the system will simply absorb our excess...and if we were to say, *remove* CO2, it would release more from the system to buffer that lack. You simply cannot model the CO2 cycle as a series of unrleated sinks and sources.
So, temperature is the only constraint on the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide? That's ridiculous. You cannot model the carbon cycle that way at all, unless you are unconstrained by reality...it would be instructive further on jhklat's delusions if the poster would explain where they think the carbon dioxide is coming from.

So CO2 emissions reach a record high, and *still* for the past 15 years, we've had no appreciable warming.
We haven't? He must live somewhere far from the oceans:

How about those surface temperatures?


So here's the last 180 monthly temperature anomaly samples from two of the major indices. Well look at that, both are positive. The keen among us may have noticed I picked the UAH satellite-derived temperature series. It's not actually the surface temperature, but it's been the lowest trending of the major indices. Recently there were yet more problems found with the UAH processing algorithms, and when the processing bias is removed, it will look very much as the rest of the major indices do.

We deserve better skeptics.
 

Tonington

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180 months short of being a true climate statistic.

Durpy Pete. I was responding to a specific claim about warming in the last 15 years. What's 15 multiplied by 12? Or did you not notice? :lol:
 

petros

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Well Anus, 30 X 12 is 360 which makes for a climate statistic. Right now all you are showing is weather stats.
 

Tonington

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Well Anus, 30 X 12 is 360 which makes for a climate statistic. Right now all you are showing is weather stats.

jhklat at 8:13 AM May 25, 2012 So CO2 emissions reach a record high, and *still* for the past 15 years, we've had no appreciable warming.
Sounds like another nail in the coffin of Natural Climate Change Denial.

How about those surface temperatures?


So here's the last 180 monthly temperature anomaly samples from two of the major indices.

Poor Durpy Pete...
 

petros

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Poor Anus of Green Gables....

Question for you. When the inter-glacial period ends, will you be jumping up and down in a panic to buy back and release sequestered CO2 to raise temps to survivable levels?
 

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Poor Anus of Green Gables....

Question for you. When the inter-glacial period ends, will you be jumping up and down in a panic to buy back and release sequestered CO2 to raise temps to survivable levels?
It may well be that the one lesson we can learn from this is how to prevent another Ice Age. That is not likely to occur for a few thousnad years now since it will take that time, at least, for the present concentration to drop down sufficiently.

Tonington, you mention that the statistic is from UAH. Could I ask you to post what satellite measurements are about. Many think that they are a direct measurement and, therefore, more accurate than the other major observers. I could post a link but cannot explain it in words myself.
 

petros

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It may well be that the one lesson we can learn from this is how to prevent another Ice Age. That is not likely to occur for a few thousnad years now since it will take that time, at least, for the present concentration to drop down sufficiently.

Tonington, you mention that the statistic is from UAH. Could I ask you to post what satellite measurements are about. Many think that they are a direct measurement and, therefore, more accurate than the other major observers. I could post a link but cannot explain it in words myself.
Are you serious? EVERY inter-glacial period has ended far faster than the gradual climb in temps that cause the cycle's almost instantaneous plummet into a glaciation event.

Did you look up the irrigation/water vapour graphs? Want me to?

How do you stop plants from transpiring? Cut down all the trees and stop planting crops?
 

Cabbagesandking

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Are you serious? EVERY inter-glacial period has ended far faster than the gradual climb in temps that cause the cycle's almost instantaneous plummet into a glaciation event.

Did you look up the irrigation/water vapour graphs? Want me to?

How do you stop plants from transpiring? Cut down all the trees and stop planting crops?

Now it is your turn. Links! But try to understand the process rather than flailing wildly about.
 

petros

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This puppy is in your lap. Do some poking around and prove me wrong. It's not up to me to prove I'm right, it's up to you to prove me wrong.

While you're at it look into the water content of petroleum fuels.

What is visibly coming out this stack? Water vapour?
 

Cabbagesandking

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Prove you wrong about what. I have no clue what you are trying to get at. And why would I care about the water content of petroleum fuels.
 

petros

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Why would you care? It's what you see coming out of stacks and automobiles. You could elimate the CO2 but the vapour will always be part of the combustion process.
 

Bar Sinister

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.. And yet, we aren't having any tangible impact.

Thanks for the OP Flossy, it pretty much confirms that all is well.

Yes. I guess the spate of tornadoes and other weather systems that tore through the central US this year were fairly benign. BTW tornadoes in January and February used to be considered freak occurrences. Not any more.

2012 off to furious start in tornadoes
 

Bar Sinister

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Poor Anus of Green Gables....

Question for you. When the inter-glacial period ends, will you be jumping up and down in a panic to buy back and release sequestered CO2 to raise temps to survivable levels?

We won't have to. We have already proven that the Earth's ambient temperature can be raised through the burning of fossil fuels. If another ice age begins to develop it should be easy to stop.