Tennessee enacts evolution, climate change law

Bar Sinister

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The idea of teaching Creationism and AGW as viable scientific alternatives simply does not hold water. Using that logic we'd have to teach Holocaust Denial as a viable historical alternative as well as bringing in the geocentric theory as equal in value to heliocentrism. Recent surveys have shown that a significant number of Americans (probably many of the same people who believe in Creationism and AGW) actually believe that the sun revolves around the Earth.

Some supposed theories are so lacking in substance as to not be worth bothering with and Creationism and AGW are two very good examples of these. The US is already well behind many nations in the basic basic scientific competence of its population. This is almost certainly due in part to the fact that influence of the religious right has seriously damaged the US educational system. It is interesting to note that only the US, Liberia, and Myanmar have failed to adopt the metric system as their official system of measurement. Being in the same class as Myanmar and Liberia is hardly the mark of a nation that visualizes itself as the leading scientific influence on the planet.

New Poll Gauges Americans' General Knowledge Levels
 

Niflmir

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I noticed that. It is a miracle. He should be up for sainthood or something.

Wow, you posted a reply to my post before I posted that post. How'd you do that!?
More lost time? Did the earth stop spinning where I was? End times maybe?

Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I think it has to do with some glitch in the forum software, the fact I am in a strange timezone, and maybe the fact that I am using Opera. One of those things created the magic you see. It happened in another thread too.
 

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Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I think it has to do with some glitch in the forum software, the fact I am in a strange timezone, and maybe the fact that I am using Opera. One of those things created the magic you see. It happened in another thread too.

 

Bar Sinister

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In principle I agree with you, but I don't think AGW is quite the fantasy you seem to be suggesting it is.

Perhaps not. I'm only relying upon the research and testimony of several hundred thousand scientists, so I could be wrong. But I'll take their word over that of the hirelings of big coal and big oil, especially as they have no vested interests that I can determine. Meanwhile I'll continue enjoying the end of one of the warmest winters in Canadian history.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Perhaps not. I'm only relying upon the research and testimony of several hundred thousand scientists, so I could be wrong.
Aren't those the people who say AGW is real? That seems to be the scientific consensus, the dissenters seem to be a pretty small minority. Far as I can tell, there's no doubt the climate is warming, but I have noted that the anthropogenic component of it, insofar as it's clearly identifiable, is pretty close to the noise level in the data so I really don't know what to make of that yet.
 

mentalfloss

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AGW is real and as scientifically sound as evolutionary theory. The extent of harm and severity is under scrutiny at this point.
 

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AGW is real and as scientifically sound as evolutionary theory. The extent of harm and severity is under scrutiny at this point.

It would take a stunning level of disbelief to conclude that man's activity on earth has no impact on climate. There has to be some, it's impossible for there not to be.
 

mentalfloss

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It would take a stunning level of disbelief to conclude that man's activity on earth has no impact on climate. There has to be some, it's impossible for there not to be.

There are those that propose that this all happens naturally, but through all natural occurrences like El Nino/La Nina cycles, solar cycles and wind patterns, there has been a marked incline in temperature since the beginning of the industrial age.
 

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It would take a stunning level of disbelief to conclude that man's activity on earth has no impact on climate. There has to be some, it's impossible for there not to be.

True, but is it even close to as bad as the gloom & Doomers would have us believe? And how much must we change our lifestyle to mitigate the damage?
Going back to the stone age is not an option unless we remove about 2/3 of the world's population.
 

mentalfloss

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True, but is it even close to as bad as the gloom & Doomers would have us believe? And how much must we change our lifestyle to mitigate the damage?
Going back to the stone age is not an option unless we remove about 2/3 of the world's population.

Evolving technology is going back to the stone age?
 

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There are those that propose that this all happens naturally, but through all natural occurrences like El Nino/La Nina cycles, solar cycles and wind patterns, there has been a marked incline in temperature since the beginning of the industrial age.
The industrial age started 13,000 years ago?
 

petros

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Oh yeah...the stone tablet with the ad from the Cactus Cola Corp trying to save the sabre tooth tiger explained in detail climate change induced by stone tool assembly lines.
 

mentalfloss

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Oh yeah...the stone tablet with the ad from the Cactus Cola Corp trying to save the sabre tooth tiger explained in detail climate change induced by stone tool assembly lines.

by e.e. cummings
 

Bar Sinister

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Aren't those the people who say AGW is real? That seems to be the scientific consensus, the dissenters seem to be a pretty small minority. Far as I can tell, there's no doubt the climate is warming, but I have noted that the anthropogenic component of it, insofar as it's clearly identifiable, is pretty close to the noise level in the data so I really don't know what to make of that yet.

AGW is a rather confusing term. Better to say Global Warming deniers I suppose. My post regarding this matter was intended to point out that GW is supported by massive amounts of scientific evidence and a majority of scientists in the global community.