Iran - Sanctions - Blockades - War - Treaties - to name a few possibilities

[Goober]

Israeli official: Sanctions on Iran are 'much more effective than people think' | Turtle Bay

Israeli officials have long expressed deep skepticism about the impact of international sanctions alone in compelling Iran's leadership to abandon what it sees as its pursuit of nuclear weapons. Israel's U.N. ambassador, Ron Prosor, told a group of reporters on Friday at the Israeli mission to the United Nations, that he believes Tehran is as committed as ever to a nuclear weapon.

But he also credited international sanctions, particularly a set of financial measures imposed by the United States and the European Union, with exacting a steep enough price that it may force Tehran to change its behavior. Prosor cited a recent decision by the Belgium-based Society of World Wide Interbank Financial Telecommunications, or Swift, blocking dozens of Iranian firms from doing business as the latest evidence the sanctions are having an impact.

"I think the international community at this stage has really moved forward and have made at least clear to Tehran that there is a certain price tag for continuing" its pursuit of nuclear weapons, he said. "The decision on SWIFT, the issue of the sanctions by the EU, are important and have an effect on Iran...I do see really a movement on the international stage, especially on the economic side...It's much more effective than people think and it might change, hopefully it might change behavior patterns if we continue with it."

Prosor made the remarks at a press breakfast with more than a dozen international reporters at the Israeli mission, providing a hint that Israel may be stepping away from its campaign to rally support for military strikes against Iran. He also used the meeting to underscore anti-Israeli bias at the United Nations Human Rights Council, and highlight the need for humanitarian assistance in Syria.

 

[MHz]

and highlight the need for humanitarian assistance in Syria[/B].

Another news station joins the ranks of promopting western propaganda, well tried to anyway, some reporters still have morals.
(in part)
Moussa Ahmed, a producer for Al Jazeera’s Beirut Bureau, is just one of the five Al-Jazeera employees that have resigned in the last couple of weeks over the news outlets biased coverage of the unrest in Syria.
In resigning he has came forward and said he decided to leave Al Jazeera as the TV channel concealed facts and fabricated news stories entirely.
In an Arabic news broadcast I obtained from China Central TV, he says the station has been reporting false news reports since the Libya revolution.
In the video, he refers to a video of child pretending injured that Al Jazeera reported on air even though they knew the child was faking his injury.
Coincidentally the video report was provided to the station by the activist Danny who has been exposed for fabricating an entirely different news report for CNN.
CNN has also aired the story the producer points out to be a known fake.
He apologizes that it has taken this long to come forward explaining working for Al Jazeera is the dream of many reporters from which one can infer that by blowing the whistle he is giving up on that dream and moreover his career as a reporter.
Al Jazeera Faked Syria, Libya News Reports Says Producer




Wag The Dog - Media Caught Faking Syria News Stories




Why fake the news, oh yeah Bahrain can kill with impunity and without any media coverage.

(in part)

As the protests in Bahrain face violent brutal crackdowns western politicians and media remains silent raising scrutiny over their denouncement of similar violence in other regions.

While western politicians trumpet their facade of being promoters of democracy, defenders of freedom, and protectors of human rights some when one objectively examines world events as a whole cracks in the story appear and sinister motives are revealed.
For evidence of this claim we need to look no further than the silence of western politicians over the violent crackdown in Bahrain.
The United States is happy to fuel unrest in nation’s where there are vast oil supplies and other resources to be pillaged but only in nation’s where Shiite Muslims are in control of the government.
While attention is constantly focused on Syria a brutal crackdown in Bahrain has been going on for a long time and the corporate media is all but silent on the situation which raises serious questions about the objectivity of such news organizations and whether they are in fact government controlled propaganda outlets.
Perhaps another example is the White House’s decision to allow child soldiers in such ‘ally’ regimes while using the same excuse to starve millions of people in unfriendly regimes, a decision that again the corporate media is silent on.
We see no condemnation of human rights violations in nations where leaders of the current government are mere puppets of the United States, which are often Sunni Muslim controlled regimes are often bought and paid for with bribes or US foreign policies that protect the leaders of these human rights violating nations.
Corporate Media Silent On Brutal Bahrain Crackdown

 

[Goober]

Meanwhile back in Iran and the talks coming up. Posturing.

U.S. to demand immediate closure of Iran’s underground nuclear facility | News | National Post

The United States and its allies are pressing for an end to Iran’s high-level uranium enrichment and the closure of a facility built deep under a mountain as talks on Tehran’s nuclear standoff with the West resume this week in Istanbul.

A return to the table, as the Western allies tighten sanctions over what they say is Tehran’s program to develop nuclear weapons, had been in doubt after Iran and the P5+1 countries — the United States, Britain, France, Russia, China and Germany — released conflicting statements about the venue.

Tehran had earlier voiced concerns about holding talks in Turkey, whose opposition to Iranian ally President Bashar al-Assad in Syria has angered the Islamic Republic.

Iranian media said the talks, which collapsed more than a year ago, would begin on Friday, while the European Union’s foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said they would start on Saturday.

“After weeks of debates, Iran and the six world powers agreed to attend a first meeting in Istanbul,” the semi-official Fars news agency reported, citing unnamed sources. State-run English language Press TV carried the same report.

Fars also said the sides had agreed to a second round of talks in Baghdad if there was progress in Turkey. There was no immediate comment on the venue from the world powers.

A senior U.S. official said that getting Iran to suspend high-level uranium enrichment and close a nuclear facility built deep under a mountain near the holy city of Qom are “near-term priorities” for the United States and its allies.

 

[MHz]

You know they have a mutual defense pact, ... yes??

Is the US intentionally trying to get the hardliners more votes next election? Who did the West run as the new Shaw in the last election if they are so hot for political change? None as total votes would have also been the same exact number, none.

 

[Goober]

You know they have a mutual defense pact, ... yes??
Is the US intentionally trying to get the hardliners more votes next election? Who did the West run as the new Shaw in the last election if they are so hot for political change? None as total votes would have also been the same exact number, none.

There is no room for distention in Iran. Oh yes they have plenty of other rooms - prisons - torture - And hanging.
Do you think those elections were in any way free?

 

[MHz]

Compared to the Shaw's reign, yes. Compared to US elections via Diabold yes, compared to Canada and the phone tricks yes. You and other want to paint them as somebody that would make Satan cringe, It's all bull-biscuts and done for a variety of petty reasons by just a few. It is the responsibility of other Nations to accept that and bury their objections and move onto something deemed 'important'.

If somebody comes up to me and says they are going to pinch me in the face they are going to be on the ground from being struck before the echo of the words die away.

You are a long way from the battle field what is fueling you, loyalty to a 'just cause'? If is in contradiction of any of the UN human rights documents then it is blind loyalty and doing a Hatfield and McCoy routine is probably a war crime by itself or at least it should be.

There is no room for distention in Iran. Oh yes they have plenty of other rooms - prisons - torture - And hanging.

You can find all of that in Texas, not all of it officially sanctioned by the State but done by a State employee all the same and it is getting worse as the prison system is predicted to get larger much faster. The Nation would be wise to all surrender right now en mass before the 'machine' can handle the input and killing everybody in open view is so messy, not that it wouldn't be done and done successfully if that is what TPTB determined is the 'best move at the time'.

You shouldn't keep bring up those prisons and torture rooms, they are a holdover from the days the Shaw and CIA ran the country, no citizens voted and progress into the latest technology was limited to the elite. You can brutalize a group only so long and then the mob rule beats any military in a civilian war. 750m rounds is a lot of target practice, wonder if those plants close up after that last run?

 

[LiesOfTheIntell]

JOOOOOOOO Media! What a bigot.

Anyone who denies that the Jews control the vast majority of mass media in North America is either in denial or suffering from an "Ostrich position." It is not racist to point out the "uni-ethnicity" of the ownership of media.

The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.

By Joel Stein

How Jewish is Hollywood?

 

[LiesOfTheIntell]

Reposted due to quality content:

I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this ridiculous thread, what with the Israel "perpetual victimhood" narrative being used to justify an absurb posit: "We face an existential threat." BS. Just more philo-Zionist excreta courtesy of Goober. It stinks to holy Hell. Goober's and his pals at the United Jewish Appeal's mission is to turn this place into a little Zionist Racist circle jerk for his fellow treasonous psychopaths to lure us into endlessly engaging with their insanity.

But with jewmedia flaming the irrational fears of a dissillusioned public, and GOP politicians salavitating for favourable media coverage maybe it shouldn't be a surprise that Iraq Part II - the invasion of Iran gets so much traction.

Some points no doubt already mentioned:
- Isreal has over 200 nukes, if Iran attacks, thereby killing milliions of Arabs, it will be anihilated. Not to mention any attqacfk on Israel, will also result in Arabs being killed.
- No country that has the nuke has ever been invaded. The MAD doctrine ensures the peace. However, somehow, this "threatens" Israel.
- When Iran gets a nuke it will be on diplomatically even grounds with Israel. However this "threatens" Israel.
- An Israeli attack will only delay Iran's nuke program, not stop it.
- The Israeli public is strongly against an attack. Yea for them!
- Ahmadenijad was misquoted by jewmedia, he said "wipe Zionism off the map" (an ugly political regime) he is mistranslated (purposefully) as "wipe Israel off the map." CNN agrees with this refutation. Refuting this lie is important since it supposedly forms the basis of the so called "existential threat." Such hogwash.

Here's a quote from another forum:
This pile of digital crap is like all the others - designed as a distraction. This is so he can suck normal people into his cesspool of time wasting, debilitating demented polemics on behalf of the real enemies of this country, ie: verminous backstabbing snake in the grass reptiles like himself and the place he loves the most: The Apartheid Abomination.

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Such a good post needs a bump.

 

[Goober]

Reposted due to quality content:

I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this ridiculous thread, what with the Israel "perpetual victimhood" narrative being used to justify an absurb posit: "We face an existential threat." BS. Just more philo-Zionist excreta courtesy of Goober. It stinks to holy Hell. Goober's and his pals at the United Jewish Appeal's mission is to turn this place into a little Zionist Racist circle jerk for his fellow treasonous psychopaths to lure us into endlessly engaging with their insanity.

But with jewmedia flaming the irrational fears of a dissillusioned public, and GOP politicians salavitating for favourable media coverage maybe it shouldn't be a surprise that Iraq Part II - the invasion of Iran gets so much traction.

It is refreshing to read such an impartial post.

 

[#juan]

Your answer is BS - 1 million was rhe estimated casualties for invading Japan- Unacceptable .

The nuclear bombing of Japan was a demo to anyone who opposed American foreign policy. The estimate of a million
casualties in the invasion of Japan was nonsense. Japan was finished. American bombing raids over Japan were unopposed
for months.

 

[EagleSmack]

The nuclear bombing of Japan was a demo to anyone who opposed American foreign policy. The estimate of a million
casualties in the invasion of Japan was nonsense. Japan was finished. American bombing raids over Japan were unopposed
for months.

Revisionist history at its finest... not to mention outright fabrication Juan.

If they were finished why did they not surrender?

At any rate I'd like to thank Canada for providing the Heavy Water and quite a bit of technology and parts for the bombs. Thanks Canada!

It is refreshing to read such an impartial post.

Isn't it! Jewmedia... what a ray of sunshine this guy is.

 

[Goober]

The nuclear bombing of Japan was a demo to anyone who opposed American foreign policy. The estimate of a million
casualties in the invasion of Japan was nonsense. Japan was finished. American bombing raids over Japan were unopposed
for months.

You should read your history- the Japenese Soldiers fought to the death-

 

[#juan]

You should read your history- the Japenese Soldiers fought to the death-

Here is a bit of history worth reading:

Was Hiroshima Necessary?

 

[EagleSmack]

Here is a bit of history worth reading:

Was Hiroshima Necessary?

A bit of history or opinion? One amusing part was LeMay saying it was not necessary. You see LeMay was bombing the brains out of the Japanese and had no decision or authority over the dropping of the bomb. LeMay thought HIS bomber command could do the job by continuing the devastation of each and every city. The idea of giving credit to the victory over Japan to anyone but himself and his bomber command was unheard of. He didn't even want the 393rd Bombardment Squadron dropping the bombs. He wanted to chose the bombers and crews under his command when he found out about the mission.

The Japanese were not ready to surrender. Yes the allies controlled the sea and air but by their official documents they wanted to sue for peace under their terms to save face. Is it not interesting that the Japanese did indeed surrender UNCONDITIONALLY after the second bomb was dropped? The Japanese were beaten as far back as 1943 (I'm being generous there) and they fought on hoping that the allies would simply give up and sue for peace simply so they could keep their pride intact and say they weren't beaten.

The "Secret Memorandum" is nothing more than secondary source hearsay information and hardly historical fact. Nothing more than "he said-she said".

 

[#juan]

A bit of history or opinion? One amusing part was LeMay saying it was not necessary. You see LeMay was bombing the brains out of the Japanese and had no decision or authority over the dropping of the bomb. LeMay thought HIS bomber command could do the job by continuing the devastation of each and every city. The idea of giving credit to the victory over Japan to anyone but himself and his bomber command was unheard of. He didn't even want the 393rd Bombardment Squadron dropping the bombs. He wanted to chose the bombers and crews under his command when he found out about the mission.

The Japanese were not ready to surrender. Yes the allies controlled the sea and air but by their official documents they wanted to sue for peace under their terms to save face. Is it not interesting that the Japanese did indeed surrender UNCONDITIONALLY after the second bomb was dropped? The Japanese were beaten as far back as 1943 (I'm being generous there) and they fought on hoping that the allies would simply give up and sue for peace simply so they could keep their pride intact and say they weren't beaten.

The "Secret Memorandum" is nothing more than secondary source hearsay information and hardly historical fact. Nothing more than "he said-she said".

For God's sake, LeMay was one of America's greatest leaders. Virtually all of America's top military leaders had serious misgivings about using the A-bomb. Eisenhower, MacCarther, Patton, all thought it was the wrong move. The a-bomb didn't shorten the war. the B-29s did with conventional bombs.

 

[EagleSmack]

For God's sake, LeMay was one of America's greatest leaders. Virtually all of America's top military leaders had serious misgivings about using the A-bomb. Eisenhower, MacCarther, Patton, all thought it was the wrong move. The a-bomb didn't shorten the war. the B-29s did with conventional bombs.

Yes he was... he also bombed the Japanese unmercifully. Don't make him out to be some peace activist. He believed in wide scale bombing and wanted to continue to simply lay every Japanese city to waste HIS way. It was Curtis LeMay's idea to use incendiaries on Japanese cities because of the wood structures that made up Japanese neighborhoods. As I said, LeMay had no say in the dropping of the bombs and was only informed of it at the very end. He was dismayed that he had no authority as he wanted his guys to do it.

LeMay fried more Japanese with his incendiaries than the A-Bombs did and he wanted to keep doing so.

Some had misgivings after and MANY were taken out of context as opposed to the bomb.

Fact... The US dropped the bomb on Nagasaki on August 9, 1945... six days later the Japanese surrender. Coincidence? I think not.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[#juan]

Yes he was... he also bombed the Japanese unmercifully. Don't make him out to be some peace activist. He believed in wide scale bombing and wanted to continue to simply lay every Japanese city to waste HIS way. It was Curtis LeMay's idea to use incendiaries on Japanese cities because of the wood structures that made up Japanese neighborhoods. As I said, LeMay had no say in the dropping of the bombs and was only informed of it at the very end. He was dismayed that he had no authority as he wanted his guys to do it.

LeMay fried more Japanese with his incendiaries than the A-Bombs did and he wanted to keep doing so.

Some had misgivings after and MANY were taken out of context as opposed to the bomb.

Fact... The US dropped the bomb on Nagasaki on August 9, 1945... six days later the Japanese surrender. Coincidence? I think not.

Game. Set. Match.

Nonsense! The Japanese tried to surrender 5 or 6 times before the A-bombs were dropped. Even the Japanese said that
it was the B-29 bombing raids with conventional bombs and incendaries that had the greatest impact.

 

[Goober]

Nonsense! The Japanese tried to surrender 5 or 6 times before the A-bombs were dropped. Even the Japanese said that
it was the B-29 bombing raids with conventional bombs and incendaries that had the greatest impact.

How about a thread about the bombing-

 

[#juan]

How about a thread about the bombing-

From my original link:

Even before the Hiroshima attack, American air force General Curtis LeMay boasted that American bombers were "driving them [Japanese] back to the stone age." Henry H. ("Hap") Arnold, commanding General of the Army air forces, declared in his 1949 memoirs: "It always appeared to us, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse." This was confirmed by former Japanese prime minister Fumimaro Konoye, who said: "Fundamentally, the thing that brought about the determination to make peace was the prolonged bombing by the B-29s.

 

[CDNBear]

Even before the Hiroshima attack, American air force General Curtis LeMay boasted that American bombers were "driving them [Japanese] back to the stone age." Henry H. ("Hap") Arnold, commanding General of the Army air forces, declared in his 1949 memoirs: "It always appeared to us, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse." This was confirmed by former Japanese prime minister Fumimaro Konoye, who said: "Fundamentally, the thing that brought about the determination to make peace was the prolonged bombing by the B-29s.

"On the verge of collapse" and surrendering, are not the same thing bud.