Israel Warns Neighbors Over March To Jerusalem

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I don't need a belief system to conclude the most likely consequence of using armed materialism to return Jews to the promised land will be dire.
We are well aware of what your belief system is.
Apartheid Week - AKA Hate the Jew has and is going the way of the wind - Why - Because people have come to the opinion it is not only biased against Israel but Racist as well
Same with Boycotts -
And the same aplies to this march
Jonathan Kay on the ‘Global March to Jerusalem’: Hateful ignorance on parade | Full Comment | National Post
When Israeli paratroopers entered Jerusalem’s Old City during the Six-Day War of 1967, they had to rely on a passing bystander — an old Arab Jerusalemite — to guide them to the Western Wall of Herod’s long-destroyed Jewish Temple.
Why did these soldiers not know the way to the holiest place in all Judaism? Because none had ever visited it. When the Jordanians ruled Jerusalem, Jewish visitors were persona non grata, and many synagogues were bulldozed.
I recite these facts in anticipation of March 30, the date picked by activists for what they call the “Global March to Jerusalem.”
“The march will demand freedom for Jerusalem and its people and to put an end to the Apartheid, ethnic cleansing and Judaisation policies affecting the people, land and sanctity of Jerusalem,” the web site informs us. “We aim to highlight the cause of Jerusalem (the City of Peace) which is considered the key to peace and war in the region and the world. The march will confirm that the policies and practices of the racist Zionist state of Israel against Jerusalem and its people are a crime not only against Palestinians but against all humanity.”
And what about now? From the manner by which Israel’s shrillest enemies describe the Jewish state, one would think that the mosques had all been destroyed or turned into pig stys. And yet al-Aqsa and the holy Muslim buildings it contains have become an active place of worship for Muslims from around the world. Indeed, Muslims are free to pray at mosques all over Israel (and, unlike in many Muslim nations, Shiite and Sunni worshipers do not have to worry bout being blown up by their opposite number as they pray), just as Christians gather and worship freely at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and Bahá’ís congregate freely at the Bahá’í World Centre in Haifa.
Unless you count the oddballs over at “Jews for Jesus,” there is not a single religious faith that does not enjoy full freedom of worship in Israel. Only a tiny, militant, widely despised fringe of Jews seek to remove the Temple Mount from Muslim religious custody.
Once the Jordanians were thrown out in 1967, archeologists from around the world descended on Jerusalem to excavate the treasures that Muslims had feared would weaken their claim to the city. In recent decades, as Simon Sebag Montefiore recounts in his newest book, “Canaanite fortifications, Judaean seals, Herodian foundations, Maccabean and Byzantine walls, Roman streets, Umayyad palaces, Ayyubid gates [and] Crusader churches” have all been uncovered.
Muslim leaders, on the other hand, when given the chance to excavate an area under the Temple Mount in the mid-1990s, took the opportunity to throw out tons of uninspected material, along with untold historical treasures. To his dying day, Yasser Arafat trafficked in the bizarre conspiracy theory that Jerusalem had never been a Jewish holy city. Such ignorance permeates Palestinian propaganda to this day.
But that Israel’s tolerant attitude toward other faiths’ presence in Jerusalem were mirrored by, say, Saudi Arabia, where non-Muslims aren’t allowed even to enter Muslim holy cities, let alone build churches or synagogues.
And yet we never hear of a “Global March to Mecca.” Odd that, no?
Jews and Arabs likely will continue to fight over control of Jerusalem for many years. But let us dispense with the idea that the Israeli presence amounts to a “racist” desecration of an otherwise “peaceful” city.
If the moral battle between Jews and Arab were fought on the basis of who governed Jerusalem in a more tolerant and civilized fashion, the victor would not be hard to choose.
 

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If the moral battle between Jews and Arab were fought on the basis of who governed Jerusalem in a more tolerant and civilized fashion, the victor would not be hard to choose.
Nuff said

 

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"Why did these soldiers not know the way to the holiest place in all Judaism? Because none had ever visited it. When the Jordanians ruled Jerusalem, Jewish visitors were persona non grata, and many synagogues were bulldozed."

Why would the author of the article even ask such a question?
Jordan hosted many Arab refugees that started arriving as soon as UN 181 was signed, contrary to that same document. Restricting Jews from Jerusalem was a form of non-violent protest and the UN Courts should have been all over it. Resolving both issues was part of their duty, clearly it was never meant to followed so that makes it void to both parties.

If the Dome of the Rock was not there would the Jews build an Temple that ran on OT rules and customs? (not that I care or that it matters to anybody other than faking the Bible's fulfillment for gains that would be frowned upon, Royalty is still the elite of the elite, they would still sleep better at night if they held the title 'god' as revolt against real abuses could not be justified) Survival of the strongest in the old days meant most brutal, that doesn't work anymore as somebody not in that class is the only one who can design and build machines. If things get overcrowded nature has a way of leveling the balance out, the fate of the Lemmings is to be avoided as man is better when doing something in great numbers, we just are under the mistake that war can be associated with progression of a humane society.
 
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May I say something on Goober's defence?
He described Israel's use of phosphorus in Gaza a war crime.
Also, Goober does not tear legs off spiders.
As always,
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May I say something on Goober's defence?
He described Israel's use of phosphorus in Gaza a war crime.
Also, Goober does not tear legs off spiders.
As always,

Spade

Thnak you Spade. But there is another where it is clear cut what I posted.

But I used a magnifying glass on ants.
 

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Israel has an Apartheid like system of rights based on level of Jewishness, rather than level of whiteness. However, refering to Israel's system of religious based rights "Israeli Apartheid" is inaccurate and minimizes the Zionist State of Israel's level of oppression and injustice.

Israeli Jews have full rights and can go anywhere they want. They even have the right to shoot non-Jews without fear of serious consequences.

Non-Jewish Israelis have some rights, but they can't go anywhere or live anywhere. Non-Jewish Israelis must take care not to leave their homes unoccupied when they travel, because the state can and does declare their homes abandoned and will seize them. If a non-Jewish Israeli marries a non-Jew who isn't an Israeli citizen, they have to leave Israel to live with their spouse. Non-Jews can only become Israeli citizens if they marry a Jew. Non-Jewish Israelis are not eligible for the same level of social services as Jewish Israelis. Their homes may have no electricity, or water and their roads may not be maintained, even though they have to pay the same taxes as Jewish Israelis. In general non-Jewish Israelis have relatively poor access to education and other social welfare services. Non-Jewish Israelis can be legally discriminated against in favor of Jewish Israelis.

Israel's non-citizens are at the bottom. They have no rights. The state can shut down their businesses. They can be evicted from their homes and their houses can be demolished without warning. (a dialy occurence) Israel's Jewish citizens can murder non-citizens without fear of serious consequences. Israeli authorities are in the process of permanently incarcerating their non-citizens in concentration camps. Children of Israeli non-citizens born in these prisons will live their entire lives in these prisons. Israel's non-citizens have no right to healthcare, food, clothing, shelter, potable war, sanitation.... they can be shot by Jewish Israelis and have no right to due process. The Israeli government taxes their non-citizens and then withholds the taxes. This system of "taxation without representation" is similar to one of the primary causes of the American revolution.

BTW, I can only think of two states that classified people and awarded rights based on level of Jewishness. One of those states would be Israel.... any clue which other state classified people and awarded rights based on level of Jewishness?
 
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Israel has an Apartheid like system of rights based on level of Jewishness, rather than level of whiteness. However, refering to Israel's system of religious based rights "Israeli Apartheid" is inaccurate and minimizes the Zionist State of Israel's level of oppression and injustice.

Israeli Jews have full rights and can go anywhere they want. They even have the right to shoot non-Jews without fear of serious consequences.

Non-Jewish Israelis have some rights, but they can't go anywhere or live anywhere. Non-Jewish Israelis must take care not to leave their homes unoccupied when they travel, because the state can and does declare their homes abandoned and will seize them. If a non-Jewish Israeli marries a non-Jew who isn't an Israeli citizen, they have to leave Israel to live with their spouse. Non-Jews can only become Israeli citizens if they marry a Jew. Non-Jewish Israelis are not eligible for the same level of social services as Jewish Israelis. Their homes may have no electricity, or water and their roads may not be maintained, even though they have to pay the same taxes as Jewish Israelis. In general non-Jewish Israelis have relatively poor access to education and other social welfare services. Non-Jewish Israelis can be legally discriminated against in favor of Jewish Israelis.

Israel's non-citizens are at the bottom. They have no rights. The state can shut down their businesses. They can be evicted from their homes and their houses can be demolished without warning. (a dialy occurence) Israel's Jewish citizens can murder non-citizens without fear of serious consequences. Israeli authorities are in the process of permanently incarcerating their non-citizens in concentration camps. Children of Israeli non-citizens born in these prisons will live their entire lives in these prisons. Israel's non-citizens have no right to healthcare, food, clothing, shelter, potable war, sanitation.... they can be shot by Jewish Israelis and have no right to due process. The Israeli government taxes their non-citizens and then withholds the taxes. This system of "taxation without representation" is similar to one of the primary causes of the American revolution.

BTW, I can only think of two states that classified people and awarded rights based on level of Jewishness. One of those states would be Israel.... any clue which other state classified people and awarded rights based on level of Jewishness?

Bull****.

Israeli Arabs are better off than Arabs in Arab states.

Go to East Jerusalem, one of the most contentious areas in the area, and ask the Arabs themselves.....

Arab residents of East Jerusalem are divided on whether they would want Israeli or Palestinian citizenship should a future Palestinian state be created, suggests a new poll released on Wednesday in Washington. The survey, conducted by Pechter Middle East Polls in partnership with the Council on Foreign Relations, asked a simple question that the leaders both in Israel and the Palestinian authority seem to ignore all too often: What do the people themselves want? And the people seem confused.

When asked if they preferred to become a citizen of Palestine, with all of the rights and privileges of other citizens of Palestine, or a citizen of Israel, only 30 percent chose Palestinian citizenship – as compared to 35 percent that chose Israeli citizenship. Another 35 percent either had no answer or declined to provide it. A follow up question asked respondents if “most people in your neighborhood” would prefer to become citizens of Palestine or of Israel: 31percent thought that most people prefer Palestinian citizenship; 39 percent - Israeli citizenship; and 30 percent, once again, declined to answer or said they didn’t know.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...r-be-citizens-of-israel-or-palestine-1.336758

Read the article.....very interesting.....
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...r-be-citizens-of-israel-or-palestine-1.336758
 
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So did I; liked the smell of wisps of protein.
Kids, most do not have the freedom we had growing up - To muck structure by parents who can end up tking important parts of childhood experiencies away.
Stay out of the puddles, do not climb that tree, and so on.
 

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I always view, with suspicion, polls that ask those who feel vulnerable for their opinion which may later be used against them.
 

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I always view, with suspicion, polls that ask those who feel vulnerable for their opinion which may later be used against them.
Good point. I usually make mine public. I think that i will not in the future. No i did not miss the point.
 

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Claiming you can back it up is not the same as backing it up. All you have done is the former despite being given ample opportunity for the latter.
I don't recall calling you a liar. You need to stop with the wounded puppy bull****. If you refuse to answer the question, that is your prerogative. Stop trying to blame others for your decisions.
It's really all I've got because up to this point you have refused to acknowledge that Israel has committed crimes.
I'm sorry I asked you an uncomfortable question. That's the only apology you are going to get because that is all I have done. As I said before, you need to grow a vagina.
I stated I have - I have no need to do it again - You rejected a fair and reasonable offer - Why - Because you are scared of the outcome. On a number of occasions i have seen where other posters have proved that you were in error . You never ever own up to that.

My intention is clear - You are wrong - but I want you to admit and apologize.

But like always you run away from an offer that holds both of us to account. Are you scared of accountability
 

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Bull****.

Israeli Arabs are better off than Arabs in Arab states.

Go to East Jerusalem, one of the most contentious areas in the area, and ask the Arabs themselves.....

Would East Jerusalem Arabs rather be citizens of Israel or Palestine? - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Read the article.....very interesting.....

You could use the same argument to defend Apartheid South Africa and racial segregation in the American south during the 1950's.

ie: Black South Africans in Apartheid South Africa and Black Americans in 1950's were better off than Black Africans living in The Sudan, The Democratic Republic of Congo, Sierra Leon.... Do you also believe that Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King should have accepted state sanctioned inequality, oppression and injustice rather than fight for equality, freedom and justice? After all their situation was better than Black Africans living in these other countries.

While Israeli Arabs might be better off than some Arabs living in some Arab states, that's certainly not true if you compare them to the amount of rights, freedoms and standard of living enjoyed by Arabs in Dubai, Oman, Abu Dahai and most Gulf States. Also you are entirely ignoring the situation in the West Bank and Gaza. Before Zionism, these people had citizenship, equal rights and freedom. When Zionism came to their towns and villages, they were chased off their land and many became nationless refugees. That ethnic cleansing process continues today in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza have no recognized rights. Gazans have a standard of living which is lower than any other Arab State, plus they live behind walls with armed prison guards. They are bombed on a daily basis, while raw sewage flows in the street, and most don't have access to safe drinking water. I'd say their situation is about the equivalent of Arabs living in Homs, Syria. The only difference is that Gazans have been living in a war zone for decades, while the good people of Homs have not even endured a year of bombardment, murder and torture.

Regarding the difficult decisions likely facing Arabs living in Jerusalem.

If these Arabs want to continue living where they were born and keep their property, they may eventually be forced to choose Israeli citizenship, swear allegiance to the Jewish State of Israel and embrace the inequality inherent in the Israeli system. I'm surprised so many of Arabs would choose to give up their homes and property and be deported to West Bank and Gaza concentration camps than become second class Israeli citizens.

A good chance that these Arabs will not be offered a choice:
Survey: Most Jewish Israelis support transfer of Arabs
http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...h-israelis-support-transfer-of-arabs-1.125899
 
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I always view, with suspicion, polls that ask those who feel vulnerable for their opinion which may later be used against them.

I agree....but that raises the question of who would use the info against them? And why?

You are aware of what happens to Israel sympathizers in the Palestinian territories?
 

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I agree....but that raises the question of who would use the info against them? And why?
You are aware of what happens to Israel sympathizers in the Palestinian territories?
You would also be aware tha Arabs that are pro Israeli for example would and are singled out by those that are not.
 

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I agree....but that raises the question of who would use the info against them? And why?

You are aware of what happens to Israel sympathizers in the Palestinian territories?

Bad **** happens on all sides. I fail to see why Canada's relations should be better with one group of war criminals over the other...
 
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No I didn't since EAO has admitted that they do, in fact, fire mortars at civilians. That is common knowledge.

But in any event, I see you to have to make this about EAO now because you realize how silly Goober is being. Carry on.
Of course Palestinian war crimes are common knowledge. The MSM ensures that... it plays to the endorsed narrative. What's next? The "Peace Process" (War), "Road Map"?(more war, civil war). How about a repeat of some oldies like the 1930's "The land without people for the people without land". (ethnic cleansing) That was a hit right up until the the 50's. Who knows, the way its going in Gaza, it could be true this time in the not too distant future. What an opportunity for brave Israeli pioneers... um colonialists,,, ? Oh yes settlers... There's been so many slogans over the years....
 

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Of course Palestinian war crimes are common knowledge...

Just thought I would re-post that comment as Goob and CB can't seem to wrap their heads around it. Honestly, I can't understand why it is so difficult for Goober to just type "Israel commits war crimes". If he's done it on other threads, there really is no reason he can't do it here. He must have ulterior motives.
 

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Your little Side Kick - Bucky knew all about that thread - He must like having a friend.
Glad to see from your posts that this little problem has been cleared out by Bear ramming it thru.

You guys want to keep dragging other threads into it (then CB gets delusional and thinks I'm chasing him from thread to thread). I really have no interest in those other threads. I'm in this thread asking you about Israeli war crimes. Why is it such a touchy subject for you? Does it scare you that you and EAO might be in agreement on something?