Israel Warns Neighbors Over March To Jerusalem

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According to my understanding of Jewish scriptures (I admit imperfect), God gave this land to the Jews and then banished them to atone for their sins. After a few generations they returned through sinful means again and were banished again. I'm not exactly sure how many times this cycle repeated or will repeat, but every time Jews sin to reclaim the promised land, the consequences become more severe. Jews will reclaim the promised land after they stop sinning to get it. The return to the promised land is G-d's will. Jews must simply let it happen.
Each time the Jews try to reclaim the promised land, they commit a new sin. This time the sin is "armed materialism. and the consequences will be dire. True Torah Jews warn Jews from going to Israel. It is the least safe place for Jews. They believe they must disperse to all countries and obey that country's laws. From their viewpoint, Zionism is an obstacle to redemption and returning to the promised land.
Then I suggest that God have a place at the negotiations.
 

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The only time we need worry is when He calls the meeting, till then we could be doing better worldwide than we are doing right now.
 

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I predict G-d won't be pleased when wealthy powerful Zionists destroy the Dome on the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque to build an exclusive club called the New Temple where they can worship themselves.

Raiders of the Temple Mount - TIME
 

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God doesn't care what we do with the place in His absence and we don't have the deciding vote when He is there.

North America could use some lessons on solid bases and how to construct them, see any pot-holes or crack filler?

In gumbo country if you don't have to lock your hubs it passes all tests.
 

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I thought you didn't buy religious nuttery?
I'm agnostic, but that doesn't mean I ridicule belief systems. Instead I try to understand people and their beliefs. If they have rules, I try to respect them, while I'm in their space.

Zionism is about money, politics and power. I agree with the True Torah Jews regarding the consequences of attempting to return to the promised land by "armed materialism".
 

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Zionism is about money, politics and power. I agree with the True Torah Jews regarding the consequences of attempting to return to the promised land by "armed materialism".
So you're not agnostic and you do buy religious nuttery than.

Gotchya.
 

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You are the one mocking a belief system, not me. I've never posted a negative comment about Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Paganism...
 

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Bullets and walls cannot stop a tsunami.

According to True Torah Jews:

Zionism, by advocating a political and military end to the Jewish exile, denies the very essence of our Diaspora existence. We are in exile by Divine Decree and may emerge from exile solely via Divine Redemption. All human efforts to alter a metaphysical reality are doomed to end in failure and bloodshed. History has clearly borne out this teaching.

Zionism has not only denied our fundamental belief in Heavenly Redemption it has also created a pseudo-Judaism which views the essence of our identity to be a secular nationalism. Accordingly, Zionism and the Israeli state have consistently endeavored, via persuasion and coercion, to replace a Divine and Torah-centered understanding of our peoplehood with an armed materialism.

True Torah Jews is dedicated to informing the world and in particular the American public and politicians that not all Jews support the ideology of the Zionist state called "Israel". In fact, a great number of Orthodox Jews view the ideology of that state as diametrically opposed to the teachings of traditional Judaism.


Our Mission | True Torah Jews

There's a problem with the exile. Souls are exiled to earth to take up the struggle for immortality via matter(flesh). The exile is common to all humans it was never exclusive to Jews. There is no christianity or judaism or Islamic theology that was not taken directly from older philosophies. If we think self consciously then we are an exile here in Amenta (earth) and that is by divine decree and we may only find redemption when we remember our true state as spirit and soul even as it may take a hundred reincarnations. That is exactly from the old mysteries compiled ten thousand years before the present. No one has a special deal with god, good or bad. Anyone waiting for a messianic return of a sect specific deity will still be waiting ten million years from now, she's already here, never left the theatre in the first place. Look within the old guys say.
 
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I don't need a belief system to conclude the most likely consequence of using armed materialism to return Jews to the promised land will be dire.
 

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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
I thought you didn't buy religious nuttery?


The table for this current drama was laid out when our grandparents were toddlers, that's not a long time as far as belief systems go. You don't have to be an active participant to be affected by it and trying to stay clear of it is not something that will work in the long term. However both sides in any dispute need to be making allowances, if getting along was really part of the 'plan'. Since that doesn't appear to be the case it might be time to reevaluate UN membership if Passover is freely observed at the borders and other religious holy days are restricted. Passover is the one holy day that Christians are asked to observe as it is the night the current covenant we are under is observed, wine and unleaven bread (bannock), oh yeah, stay standing all night too, so watch what size wine-bottle you get. Only in Jerusalem you say. Be lovely to see an all night vigil by the whole house of Israel worldwide, I don't suppose the Paraliment is wired for webservation, that would be an interesting place by dawns early light.
 

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And your idea is bringing something to the table that you do not believe in. Well we know you do not believe in the Jews right to a country of their own. So no change in your thinking.
After being stripped of it by God some 2600 years ago?? and the promise of getting it back hinges on all those ancestors be standing there in the flesh. Either that or there is no God, the spiritual gathering is covered in a different section and you don't need a pure heart before you have a perfected body to hold it in. This little bit of life we have (120 years) is like a cold engine, one pump is not enough to keep it running, the 2nd start-up is for an eternal engine and with what is what is at risk you really do need to stay within the guidelines. That is arranged and you get to meet who is doing the arranging, won't that be nice??.
 

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Like I said A person who lies to themselves and believes those lies is an utter fool.


That's true for sure Goober, of course you being deaf blind and dumb can never fully and personally appreciate the statement.


I don't need a belief system to conclude the most likely consequence of using armed materialism to return Jews to the promised land will be dire.

I'm almost certain you employed a belief system to formulate that thinking.



At a loss for words again. How well I remember your criticisms of my over use of smileys once upon a time.


After being stripped of it by God some 2600 years ago?? and the promise of getting it back hinges on all those ancestors be standing there in the flesh. Either that or there is no God, the spiritual gathering is covered in a different section and you don't need a pure heart before you have a perfected body to hold it in. This little bit of life we have (120 years) is like a cold engine, one pump is not enough to keep it running, the 2nd start-up is for an eternal engine and with what is what is at risk you really do need to stay within the guidelines. That is arranged and you get to meet who is doing the arranging, won't that be nice??.



The promised land is not a physical place. No one was stripped of any land twenty-six hundred years ago. Israel never materially existed.
The eternal engine is already within us the the souls one and only task is to recover that memory of ones celestial origin no matter how many reincarnations it takes. A pure soul or heart does not need a pure body in fact it dosn't need flesh at all.
 

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The promised land is not a physical place. No one was stripped of any land twenty-six hundred years ago. Israel never materially existed.
The eternal engine is already within us the the souls one and only task is to recover that memory of ones celestial origin no matter how many reincarnations it takes. A pure soul or heart does not need a pure body in fact it doesn't need flesh at all.
You get a pipe-lighter that works on capacitor discharge in the 15K volt range lately? You seem to be speaking 'ozoneze'. Does the smoke smell like a thunder storm just passed?
 

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...The promised land is not a physical place. No one was stripped of any land twenty-six hundred years ago. Israel never materially existed.
The eternal engine is already within us the the souls one and only task is to recover that memory of ones celestial origin no matter how many reincarnations it takes. A pure soul or heart does not need a pure body in fact it dosn't need flesh at all.
Can you prove this? Otherwise its a belief system.