B.C. School teachers - What would be fair?

Tonington

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We are broke

No you aren't...tax-payer supported debt at less than 19% of your provinces GDP...that's a hell of a lot better than Canadians in general, or the Federal Government for that matter.
 

JLM

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No you aren't...tax-payer supported debt at less than 19% of your provinces GDP...that's a hell of a lot better than Canadians in general, or the Federal Government for that matter.

Yes we owe somewhere between $55 and $60 billion. A bunch of fancy math doesn't change a thing. We OWE the money and the taxpayer will be footing the bill.
 

Tonington

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Yes we owe somewhere between $55 and $60 billion. A bunch of fancy math doesn't change a thing. We OWE the money and the taxpayer will be footing the bill.

Fancy math? You're conflating broke with owing money. You are not broke... Suddenly I'm skeptical that in a class of fairly bright students, the pass rate for a grade 10 math class was only 20%.

I mean would you call a man who makes $50,000 a year and only owes $12,000 a broke man?
 

JLM

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Fancy math? You're conflating broke with owing money. You are not broke... Suddenly I'm skeptical that in a class of fairly bright students, the pass rate for a grade 10 math class was only 20%.

I mean would you call a man who makes $50,000 a year and only owes $12,000 a broke man?

You might be but many of those kids (not me) were "A" students in their other classes.
That same teacher also taught French and as I recall those kids didn't do very well either.

Sorry Bucko, but I started putting money aside when I was 20 years old (money deducted from my pay cheque) for the expressed purpose of retirement. So maybe before you go shooting your f*****g trap off in future you might want to check your facts............A$$hole!

I appreciate the "greenie"- got to thinking later I may have been a little harsh with the idiot! :smile:
 

TenPenny

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Sorry Bucko, but I started putting money aside when I was 20 years old (money deducted from my pay cheque) for the expressed purpose of retirement. So maybe before you go shooting your f*****g trap off in future you might want to check your facts............A$$hole!

So, you don't collect any pension at all, and never got a raise during your working life.

You're a saint, you are.
 

JLM

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I've been mulling this situation over a little more, and have come to the conclusion that generally speaking a C.O.L.A. is good and then on further consideration I find "a fly in the ointment". It depends on the standard of living of the particular year it is tied to. Are we in fact trying to keep pace with a year when we were living "high on the hog"? :smile:

So, you don't collect any pension at all, and never got a raise during your working life.

You're a saint, you are.

Yep, I collect three pensions, two of which I directly funded myself. Do you not plan on collecting pensions when you retire?
 

TenPenny

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I've been mulling this situation over a little more, and have come to the conclusion that generally speaking a C.O.L.A. is good and then on further consideration I find "a fly in the ointment". It depends on the standard of living of the particular year it is tied to. Are we in fact trying to keep pace with a year when we were living "high on the hog"? :smile:



Yep, I collect three pensions, two of which I directly funded myself. Do you not plan on collecting pensions when you retire?

I don't have a pension. I make my own way in life, and I have funded my future retirement through savings. I have never worked in a place with a pension plan.

It's quite funny to see someone who used to suck off the tit of government complaining about people sucking off the tit of government.
 

JLM

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I don't have a pension. I make my own way in life, and I have funded my future retirement through savings. I have never worked in a place with a pension plan.

It's quite funny to see someone who used to suck off the tit of government complaining about people sucking off the tit of government.

Don't be such a bloody hypocrite! Unless you plan on refusing O.A.P. when you are 65. So you make your own way in life, B.F.D. but it's rather presumptuous to conclude that others don't.

Just heard on the news the teachers have started picketing in Victoria- keep your eyes peeled for an all out Donnybrook. Maybe the Gov't. is going to have to review their position. I think those huge raises the politicians helped themselves to a couple of years back may come back to haunt them.
 

TenPenny

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Don't be such a bloody hypocrite! Unless you plan on refusing O.A.P. when you are 65. So you make your own way in life, B.F.D. but it's rather presumptuous to conclude that others don't.

Some people get awfully testy when their hypocrisy is trotted out, I see.
 

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People did not evolve to work. Granted, some time, by necessity, must be spent plucking fruit from trees. scrounging for carrion, and raising children. However, most time should be leisure. More play, less work!

Needless to say, our society has forgotten this simple truth. Educators (aka teachers) should be commissioned to reintroduce humanity to hunting and gathering, and especially play. These teachers, while money still existed, would be paid the highest salaries, as our continued existence requires it.

Spare the teacher, spoil the child.
Nap anyone?
 

JLM

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People did not evolve to work. Granted, some time, by necessity, must be spent plucking fruit from trees. scrounging for carrion, and raising children. However, most time should be leisure. More play, less work!

Needless to say, our society has forgotten this simple truth. Educators (aka teachers) should be commissioned to reintroduce humanity to hunting and gathering, and especially play. These teachers, while money still existed, would be paid the highest salaries, as our continued existence requires it.

Spare the teacher, spoil the child.
Nap anyone?

"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy".
 

talloola

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Just heard on the news the teachers have started picketing in Victoria- keep your eyes peeled for an all out Donnybrook. Maybe the Gov't. is going to have to review their position. I think those huge raises the politicians helped themselves to a couple of years back may come back to haunt them.

bingo
 

Niflmir

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I note that the amount of the BC government spent on education this year (Budget 2012 - Province of British Columbia) is fixed at 27% relative to last year (Budget 2011 - Province of British Columbia) with an increase in the total budget of 1.8%. I also note that they expect increases of 2.2% and 2.5% in the following years. So in 3 years, one should expect the salaries to raise by 7% at least (assuming the inflation rate is compounded to allow an allotment for more teachers as the population increases).

And that is just the inflationary raises, which should just be an inalienable feature of all contracts.

If they are running a deficit, the reasonable thing to do would be a global contraction of the budget, not an expansion of the budget without wage increases. Where is that extra money going if they aren't increasing wages?
 

JLM

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I note that the amount of the BC government spent on education this year (Budget 2012 - Province of British Columbia) is fixed at 27% relative to last year (Budget 2011 - Province of British Columbia) with an increase in the total budget of 1.8%. I also note that they expect increases of 2.2% and 2.5% in the following years. So in 3 years, one should expect the salaries to raise by 7% at least (assuming the inflation rate is compounded to allow an allotment for more teachers as the population increases).

And that is just the inflationary raises, which should just be an inalienable feature of all contracts.

If they are running a deficit, the reasonable thing to do would be a global contraction of the budget, not an expansion of the budget without wage increases. Where is that extra money going if they aren't increasing wages?

You've said a lot, wages are only a percentage of the budget. Like with most jobs, labour is approximately half and parts are approximately half (with profit added to both). With the provincial budget, my guess is a big portion goes to paying down debt and another big portion goes to paying the interest. There is one main theme to this whole situation, "you can not draw water out of a well faster than the well can recover"- a very simple concept really and I don't understand why teachers (supposedly an intelligent and educated bunch) can not understand that. Even a dumby like me has no problem with it. :smile:


Sure be nice if it was that simple eh. There is one problem, the politicians raises although substantial, greedy and in poor taste, could be repaid 100 times over and it still wouldn't amount to what it would take to satisfy 41,000 teachers. It's only a matter of principal and setting an example, otherwise doesn't accomplish a great deal, except maybe improving our mood. :lol:
 

talloola

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You've said a lot, wages are only a percentage of the budget. Like with most jobs, labour is approximately half and parts are approximately half (with profit added to both). With the provincial budget, my guess is a big portion goes to paying down debt and another big portion goes to paying the interest. There is one main theme to this whole situation, "you can not draw water out of a well faster than the well can recover"- a very simple concept really and I don't understand why teachers (supposedly an intelligent and educated bunch) can not understand that. Even a dumby like me has no problem with it. :smile:



Sure be nice if it was that simple eh. There is one problem, the politicians raises although substantial, greedy and in poor taste, could be repaid 100 times over and it still wouldn't amount to what it would take to satisfy 41,000 teachers. It's only a matter of principal and setting an example, otherwise doesn't accomplish a great deal, except maybe improving our mood. :lol:

it sure shows their colours though, shows how greedy they are, shows how they can take take, without
having to answer to anyone, and makes a great point to all of us, and makes us disrespect them all the more.
It really shows up when they nit pick the teachers, especially when campbell dealt with them.
 

JLM

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it sure shows their colours though, shows how greedy they are, shows how they can take take, without
having to answer to anyone, and makes a great point to all of us, and makes us disrespect them all the more.
It really shows up when they nit pick the teachers, especially when campbell dealt with them.

You certainly have that right, but all politicians have those same characteristics, just as a skunk has it's characteristics! :lol:
 

taxslave

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And today the teachers and their supporters in other militant government unions denied taxpayers their right to accessing government services by picketing government offices that have nothing to do with education. In one news clip a government worker was shown physically blocking taxpayers from entering a building they own. Just one more reason why government employees must not have the right to strike.