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talloola

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Don Cherry is in danger of sounding like the French media in Quebec with crap like that. Whining about Americans on the roster is as stupid as whining about a captain that doesn't speak French as a 3rd language, especially coming from Cherry, who loves combinations of toughness and skill: American hockey has emulated Canadian in that regard, as they have seen the success we generate from it.

Ron Wilson: wrong coach for a team that still needs some serious rebuilding. He's a veteran's coach not a teaching coach for young players. Coaches in situations like Toronto's are expendible... just look at the turnover behind the bench of my Isles (whom I think have a better long term outlook than Toronto but have a LONG way to go).

Brian Burke: if he DID go to the CBC, it was unprofessional for a person in his position. He has too much to worry about on his own, without indulging in media spats, but he always has done this (i.e. Kevin Lowe feud over the Oilers signing Dustin Penner).

Toronto fans: there is more pain ahead but maybe some light if Toronto can draft some young scoring talent...

And yes I enjoyed seeing the Isles and Sabres win last night... :p

yes I enjoyed the isles winning yesterday too, I like that team, lots of nice young talent, their day
will come, I think, although I thought they would do better this season.
Did not enjoy the sabres winning, but canucks can only blame themselves for that mess, they only played
two periods, luongo included, so sabres deserved the win.
 

Mowich

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I'm switching back and forth between the Islanders vs Boston game - tied 2 apiece at the moment, and the Honda Classic where Rory is top of the leader board. Tiger is having a pretty good day too.

We could all be surprised how carlyle changes the team quickly, he is very different from ron willson,and the team will have to sit up and take notice 'pronto', no shirking or lack of high quality play allowed by this guy, so I am interested to see just how he does over the remaining games.
He will be much more structured with his special teams as well, a better organizer
and a better coach all round, but not a pleasant coach for the players if they
don't want to work like hell all the time.

Well the Leafs managed a win last night.


Don Cherry is losing it finally alltogether, they should buy him a rocking chair strap him in it, and
ship him home to stay, and yeah, a bit of tape lover his mouth would top it off nicely.
I was waiting for him to start frothing at the mouth, he was that 'outspoken' about Burke. No love lost between those two.
 

Cannuck

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Don Cherry is in danger of sounding like the French media in Quebec with crap like that. Whining about Americans on the roster is as stupid as whining about a captain that doesn't speak French as a 3rd language, especially coming from Cherry, who loves combinations of toughness and skill: American hockey has emulated Canadian in that regard, as they have seen the success we generate from it.

He does have a point...not in that they have lots of Americans but NO Ontarians? That's bizarre given the sheer number of players that Ontario produces. Maybe Burke thinks that Ontario born players can't handle the pressure of playing in TO. In any event, no playoffs in 3 and probably 4 years means that regardless of why Burke does what he does, it is definitely the wrong approach.
 

Mowich

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He does have a point...not in that they have lots of Americans but NO Ontarians? That's bizarre given the sheer number of players that Ontario produces. Maybe Burke thinks that Ontario born players can't handle the pressure of playing in TO. In any event, no playoffs in 3 and probably 4 years means that regardless of why Burke does what he does, it is definitely the wrong approach.

Gave me pause too, Cannuck. I understand what talloola and others are saying but still, with the likes of Rick Nash, John Tavares, Steven Stamkos, Jason Spezza, Claude Giroux, James Neal, Eric Stall, Corey Perry, Logan Couture, Tyler Seguin and the list goes on - it does seem a bit strange that not one single Ontario born player ends up on a Burke team - but who am I to question the likes of BB. :lol:
 

wulfie68

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He does have a point...not in that they have lots of Americans but NO Ontarians? That's bizarre given the sheer number of players that Ontario produces.

I wouldn't call it bizarre: I would call it unusual and perhaps unlikely. It all depends on when you draft and who is available.

In any event, no playoffs in 3 and probably 4 years means that regardless of why Burke does what he does, it is definitely the wrong approach.

Well considering the dysfunctional nature of the MLSE hierarchy, I don't know that it all is on Burke (yes a large portion is... just as if they attain success in the near future it will be from him too). The Leafs have shown some signs of improvement but a draft pick doesn't always turn out like you hope.
 

TenPenny

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Gave me pause too, Cannuck. I understand what talloola and others are saying but still, with the likes of Rick Nash, John Tavares, Steven Stamkos, Jason Spezza, Claude Giroux, James Neal, Eric Stall, Corey Perry, Logan Couture, Tyler Seguin and the list goes on - it does seem a bit strange that not one single Ontario born player ends up on a Burke team - but who am I to question the likes of BB. :lol:


Think of what happens in the QMJHL - the teams will go to great lengths to get a local boy on the team, it's great for fans and PR. Makes it odd that Toronto seems to do the opposite, like they'd hate to have a local guy on the team.

Having heard that Burke and Wilson were college room mates explains why Wilson stayed so long, but sooner or later, the GenMgr has to think about his role, I'm glad Burke finally woke up.
 

talloola

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Think of what happens in the QMJHL - the teams will go to great lengths to get a local boy on the team, it's great for fans and PR. Makes it odd that Toronto seems to do the opposite, like they'd hate to have a local guy on the team.

Having heard that Burke and Wilson were college room mates explains why Wilson stayed so long, but sooner or later, the GenMgr has to think about his role, I'm glad Burke finally woke up.
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burke and carlysle are buddies too, burke hired carlysle to coach in manitoba when he was g.m. in vancouver,
then hired him again to coach in anaheim, now he is hiring him again to coach in toronto.

If I was a g.m. I would not even think about where the player was born, I would
be thinking about my team, what we need, and who is available who can fill those
spots, where they were born or grew wouldn't mean a tinkers damn to me, and it
shouldn't to any g.m s if they are doing their job efficiently.

this is the NHL, not bantam, those emotional ties have nothing to do with having
a successful team, when drafting a young player.

I would never pass up a potential successful player because he isn't born in the
province of my team, and take the next one because he was.
 

TenPenny

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burke and carlysle are buddies too, burke hired carlysle to coach in manitoba when he was g.m. in vancouver,
then hired him again to coach in anaheim, now he is hiring him again to coach in toronto.

If I was a g.m. I would not even think about where the player was born, I would
be thinking about my team, what we need, and who is available who can fill those
spots, where they were born or grew wouldn't mean a tinkers damn to me, and it
shouldn't to any g.m s if they are doing their job efficiently.

this is the NHL, not bantam, those emotional ties have nothing to do with having
a successful team, when drafting a young player.

I would never pass up a potential successful player because he isn't born in the
province of my team, and take the next one because he was.

The NHL is a business, what should matter to the GM is what makes the team make money.
 

Cannuck

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If I was a g.m. I would not even think about where the player was born, I would be thinking about my team, what we need, and who is available who can fill those spots, where they were born or grew wouldn't mean a tinkers damn to me, and it
shouldn't to any g.m s if they are doing their job efficiently.

It doesn't matter to most people but given that there is over 200 players from Ontario the odds of any team not having at least one is very low (everything being equal). Given Burkes history and the slim chances that it would "just happen" that way, I think the odds that it is by design are pretty good....at least better than it being by chance.
 

talloola

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The NHL is a business, what should matter to the GM is what makes the team make money.

and making money comes from a winning team, and that includes drafting well, and it doesn't include trying to draft
players from any particular province, country etc.

It doesn't matter to most people but given that there is over 200 players from Ontario the odds of any team not having at least one is very low (everything being equal). Given Burkes history and the slim chances that it would "just happen" that way, I think the odds that it is by design are pretty good....at least better than it being by chance.

that just seems very odd, why would he or any other gm make a point of 'not' picking players from a
particular area, escapes me, even with him, unless he has some grudge against the ontario hockey league.

so you are saying that if wayne gretzky was at this time, a 19 year old, and burke had the chance to
acquire him, he would turn away?
do you think he would have turned hodgson away if there was the trade possible that gillis just did.

Think of what happens in the QMJHL - the teams will go to great lengths to get a local boy on the team, it's great for fans and PR. Makes it odd that Toronto seems to do the opposite, like they'd hate to have a local guy on the team.

Having heard that Burke and Wilson were college room mates explains why Wilson stayed so long, but sooner or later, the GenMgr has to think about his role, I'm glad Burke finally woke up.
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If there is a very very highly talented local boy, of course, yes the g.m. will try his hardest to draft
him, but the odds of being able to do that are slim, either that g.m. would have first pick, or he will
be lucky enough to find him available when it is his turn to draft, but if he was that good he would have
allready been picked, the only other way he could acquire him is to make a trade with the g.m. who did pick
him, and he would probably be turned down, because the g.m. who picked him would want to keep him.

g.m.s can't just go around demanding local talent, as the talent is for everyone in the NHL, irrespective of
where they came from.

Gave me pause too, Cannuck. I understand what talloola and others are saying but still, with the likes of Rick Nash, John Tavares, Steven Stamkos, Jason Spezza, Claude Giroux, James Neal, Eric Stall, Corey Perry, Logan Couture, Tyler Seguin and the list goes on - it does seem a bit strange that not one single Ontario born player ends up on a Burke team - but who am I to question the likes of BB. :lol:

brian burke has only been with toronto four years, so many of those players were in the nhl much earlier
that that.
If you look up the ones who are younger, and look into their draft of that year, and see what position
they were taken, and by what team, and what position toronto picked.

If burke had been able to choose any of those above playersd who were available, he would have grabbed
them in a flash.
He traded away the draft pick to boston the year seguin was chosen.
 

wulfie68

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The NHL is a business, what should matter to the GM is what makes the team make money.
Not really. It depends on the team but in most cases the GM is responsible for assembling the best team possible within the team's budget and putting a winning product on the ice. Profitability is not necessarily their concern, but rather that of the team's president and ownership. Now I agree with the idea that a "local" kid is going to generate some interest but that can be double edged, as shown by Mike Comrie in Edmonton (the city went sour on him when he had a contract squabble before he was traded).
 

talloola

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It seems that the other side of that 'ontario' player thing, is that burke has a few americans
on the team, and also behind the scenes, and he is also an american, so perhaps that was more of the
point of the arguement, not totally sure, didn't hear cherry's rant, but that makes more sense to me,
and also seems to fit with cherry's style.


burke is wearing out his welcome, just as he did in vancouver, he has gone to the bosses of two journalists
demanding they be fired, and now same with cherry, he seems to think his clout can control many other
people.
I am not a media friendly person at all, but they deserve to work for a living, just like everyone else,
and for burke to stomp around demanding they be fired is ridiculous, and he did the same in vancouver,
then ranted because it didn't happen.

both burke and cherry should be put, together, on a slow boat to china, and they can rant away to each
other the whole way, then the chinese can do whatever they want with them. lol
 

talloola

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It seems that the other side of that 'ontario' player thing, is that burke has a few americans
on the team, and also behind the scenes, and he is also an american, so perhaps that was more of the
point of the arguement, not totally sure, didn't hear cherry's rant, but that makes more sense to me,
and also seems to fit with cherry's style.


burke is wearing out his welcome, just as he did in vancouver, he has gone to the bosses of two journalists
demanding they be fired, and now same with cherry, he seems to think his clout can control many other
people.
I am not a media friendly person at all, but they deserve to work for a living, just like everyone else,
and for burke to stomp around demanding they be fired is ridiculous, and he did the same in vancouver,
then ranted because it didn't happen.

both burke and cherry should be put, together, on a slow boat to china, and they can rant away to each
other the whole way, then the chinese can do whatever they want with them. lol

And it also seems that the leafs do have ontario based players, who are in the system, but have not yet
been brought up to the leafs line up, so furthering the ridiculous statement from cherry.

And it also seems that the leafs do have ontario based players, who are in the system, but have not yet
been brought up to the leafs line up, so furthering the ridiculous statement from cherry.

I watched a very exciting game last night - winnipeg/buffalo-, wow, it was so good. A very important
game as well, as if buffalo had won they would have jumped over winnipeg into 8th spot in the
conference, but NO, winnipeg was having none of that, and they played a great game, and instead
of losing that 8th spot, they gained another 2 points, and moved further up the ladder, away from
those who are clammering to get in the playoffs.

Not sure how they will finish the season, as their home games are their strength, so when they go on
the road again, they will have to improve their play and get some wins to maintain a playoff spot.

Their fans are priceless, they holler and cheer and jeer from the drop of the puck to the final bell,
and that is such a boost for their team, it is a fun atmosphere, I'd love to go to a game there.

GO JETS GO
 

spaminator

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He's a winner, that one.

Ship in back to Vancouver.
how about out of the country?
;)
 

talloola

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He's a winner, that one.

Ship in back to Vancouver.

actually vancouver definitely wasn't his home base, he is an american, and was bettman's right hand
man for a few years, and the fit is perfect, they make a good pair.

They fired his ass in vancouver for approximately the same things he's doing now, he is a power
seeker, wants to shut everyone up but himself.

I was very happy when vancouver surprised the hell out of him by kicking his butt out the door,
very good move, he thought he was in full control in the canuck organization, but apparantly there
were people there with much more common sense than he had, he was very surprised.

He was trying to push his way around in the front office as well, people in higher places didn't
appreciate that, 'bye bye brian', see ya.
 

JLM

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actually vancouver definitely wasn't his home base, he is an american, and was bettman's right hand
man for a few years, and the fit is perfect, they make a good pair.

They fired his ass in vancouver for approximately the same things he's doing now, he is a power
seeker, wants to shut everyone up but himself.

I was very happy when vancouver surprised the hell out of him by kicking his butt out the door,
very good move, he thought he was in full control in the canuck organization, but apparantly there
were people there with much more common sense than he had, he was very surprised.

He was trying to push his way around in the front office as well, people in higher places didn't
appreciate that, 'bye bye brian', see ya.

Yep, they seem to have struggled along quite well without him the past few years. :lol:
 

talloola

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Its very exciting right now watching the teams who are trying to push each other out of the playoffs.

dallas 81 - phoenix 78 - calgary 78 - l.a. 78 - colorado 76 - san jose 76 -

they are playing the best hockey, striving to be the best they can be, detroit looked quite ordinary
in l.a. tonight, lost 5-2

calgary beat san jose in overtime

dallas won over minnesota 1-0