Iran - Sanctions - Blockades - War - Treaties - to name a few possibilities

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I was thinking along the lines of a large schools of similar fish, even a rabbit will eat a rabbit if it is starving.
 

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I was thinking along the lines of a large schools of similar fish, even a rabbit will eat a rabbit if it is starving.
Wut?

Regardless, fish do not have a motive for ruling anything. They have a motive for self-defense and eating to survive. And they do violence to do that surviving. And your comment said, "Rule by force is as old as violence itself,".
 
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Fish follow migration patterns. Rather than examinje each fish death over past eons in great detail perhaps I can say that they had less to fear from their own kind than from other species. It was man's eye that forst though croc mothers were eating their offspring rather than giving them a place of safety in times of trouble. What we come up with first might be correct in a gut-reaction situation, detailed studt migh show the initial conclusion to be in error once all the 'details' have been examined. If we were smart we would be training whales to be the the cowboys of the seas.

Wut?

Regardless, fish do not have a motive for ruling anything. They have a motive for self-defense and eating to survive. And they do violence to do that surviving. And your comment said, "Rule by force is as old as violence itself,".
Spiecies have to battle other species all the time. it is a prey/predator/prey situation.
 

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How smart is it to admit you are acting as terrorists in other lands

at least that is the TRUTH. The US has been a "terrorist" to many nations. Usually starting with THREATS. making false claims so as to make the population (US) see the object nation as an "enemy" , and of course elective invasions of choice. Wars are the ultimate terrorist act. The Afghans , Iraqis and others in history have been terrorized until it was decided that the US got what it came for via the wars.

The hypocracy that surrounds most of this (along with the lies) is shameful and transparent.
 

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and ongoing with no end in sight. I thought one of the big bragging points of living in the West is that the Gov was a servant of the people in the specific Nation, obviously more bull**** right from the top.
 

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and ongoing with no end in sight. I thought one of the big bragging points of living in the West is that the Gov was a servant of the people in the specific Nation, obviously more bull**** right from the top.

Iran regime promotes siege mentality to bolster support leading up to election | News | National Post

DUBAI — As international pressure mounts on Iran over its disputed nuclear program, the leadership is seeking to bolster support with rousing revolutionary rhetoric.

State-run newspapers, websites and television channels talk incessantly of plots by Iran’s “foreign enemies” to bring the Islamic Republic crashing to its knees.

Official media is doing its best to get people behind Friday’s parliamentary election — a ballot from which mosMuch scorn is poured on the United States, an enemy of Iranian revolutionaries since a 1953 coup ushered in the U.S-backed Shah’s rule, which ended in 1979.

“U.S. dreads turnout in the elections,” said a headline on Press TV, an English-language state television channel and website.

State broadcaster IRIB has shown old footage of young conscripts fighting in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. The pictures were followed by an interview with a patriotic Iranian urging people to vote.

“Any vote cast at the ballot boxes is a punch in the eye of the enemy,” he says.

The enemy in general is a mixed bag of the United States, Israel, European powers, and Gulf-led Arab states opposed to Tehran.

The main dispute at present is over Iran’s nuclear program and whether its purpose is to develop a source of energy, as Tehran says, or an atomic bomb, as its foes believe.

The United States and the European Union have imposed sanctions on Iran to force it to abandon its nuclear activities. The United States and Israel have also hinted they may be prepared to take military action.

Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called on the nation to defuse “enemies” plots by voting on Friday.

“The Iranian nation will slap the arrogant powers in the face harder than ever by their high turnout,” Khamenei told a gathering on Wednesday.

“We should resist and make the enemies more envious of our will and
t pro-Western reformist parties have been banned.
 

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and ongoing with no end in sight. I thought one of the big bragging points of living in the West is that the Gov was a servant of the people in the specific Nation, obviously more bull**** right from the top.

a gov't a servant of the people??? That is a myth that has been perpetuated by the propaganda machine. People bought into it "freely"

Seems most of the bragging points are being torn down as truths emerge.

No end in sight........INDEED. If anything......there will be more tentacles spreading world wide in the name of control and under the excuse of "terrorists" Capitlzing on the terrorist issue as the USG has done , has left the US population even more threatened and fearful. Bouts of backlash are bound to happen.

How can anyone say that Iran is not being terrorized by the US /west???? The constant barrage of threats and denouncing the political leaders there . just goes on and on.

NO nation has the right to terrorize another. No nation has the right to do regime changes (electively, violently and via war) in another. But that does not phase the USG. It is (in its grandiose mind) above the law. The same laws that apply to everyone else ....

It is total INSANITY to make aggressive threats with all options on the table to a nation on the basis of what it "might" be doing or might do.

Just imagine what the USG "might do " .........and yet the double standard is in full force.
 

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The US still takes it's marching orders from the World Bank, unlimited debt as long as they do what they are told. If the US (and us) crash the problem isn't solved as the next 'super power' is still under their thumb.
 

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a gov't a servant of the people??? That is a myth that has been perpetuated by the propaganda machine. People bought into it "freely"

Seems most of the bragging points are being torn down as truths emerge.

No end in sight........INDEED. If anything......there will be more tentacles spreading world wide in the name of control and under the excuse of "terrorists" Capitlzing on the terrorist issue as the USG has done , has left the US population even more threatened and fearful. Bouts of backlash are bound to happen.

How can anyone say that Iran is not being terrorized by the US /west???? The constant barrage of threats and denouncing the political leaders there . just goes on and on.

NO nation has the right to terrorize another. No nation has the right to do regime changes (electively, violently and via war) in another. But that does not phase the USG. It is (in its grandiose mind) above the law. The same laws that apply to everyone else ....

Couple of questions
Do you believe the US is planning to attack Iran?

If Iran goes Nuk will others do so - Saudi - Turkey and so on?

Has Iran been cooperating with the IAEA?
 

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The US still takes it's marching orders from the World Bank, unlimited debt as long as they do what they are told. If the US (and us) crash the problem isn't solved as the next 'super power' is still under their thumb.

Makes one wonder why they even bother to have "elections"....No matter who is "elected"......what is determined is by who holds the debts. Meanwhile the debt just keeps increasing. another "no end in sight".

Little wonder the whole planet is going through a major cataclysm financially.

WE can't forget the war and profit factor in all this too.
 

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Yes, as payback for events going back as far as 1979.
Moot question as Iran isn't seeking 'the bomb'. Defense contracts has Turkey and Saudi being protected from attack by nations that do have n-weapons.
Yes, the IAEA should be somewhat suspicious of 'gifts' that are handed to them that only support Israel's and the US position. The IAEA is a lap dog of the nuclear industry, it does what it's told

Now some questions for you.

What was the date of the last time Iran invaded a sovereign Nation?

If Iran was given a new form of power from Israel and the US would the war-mongering from those two places stop entirely and for good?

Has Israel been cooperating with the IAEA? (in that without inspections it is illiegal for the US to sell or gift them any weapons at all)

"Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called on the nation to defuse “enemies” plots by voting on Friday."

This is your idea of a 'terrorist'? ROFLMAO
 

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Yes, as payback for events going back as far as 1979.
Moot question as Iran isn't seeking 'the bomb'. Defense contracts has Turkey and Saudi being protected from attack by nations that do have n-weapons.
Yes, the IAEA should be somewhat suspicious of 'gifts' that are handed to them that only support Israel's and the US position. The IAEA is a lap dog of the nuclear industry, it does what it's told

Now some questions for you.

What was the date of the last time Iran invaded a sovereign Nation?

If Iran was given a new form of power from Israel and the US would the war-mongering from those two places stop entirely and for good?

Has Israel been cooperating with the IAEA? (in that without inspections it is illiegal for the US to sell or gift them any weapons at all)

"Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called on the nation to defuse “enemies” plots by voting on Friday."

This is your idea of a 'terrorist'? ROFLMAO


Iran has not invaded a country we know that. But Iran has territorial claims that are still outstanding.

Israel is not a member of the NPT - Iran is.

My questions
When did Iran stop killing Iranian dissidents both inside Iran and in many other countries

When did Iran stop funding Proxies - from Hamas to the Taliban to the Shia in Iraq to Hezbollah in Lebanon?

The hardliners are out on both sides - does that tell you anything about a split within the ruling Thugocracy.

Reformers are boycotting the election - Tell me why?
 

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Israel is not a member of the NPT - Iran is.
There is something like the 'simmons agreement' (still looking for the right spelling) that forbids the US to sell any weapons to a nuclear power that does not allow inspections, plain and simple and not followed. Clean up their own act before demanding others fix something that is already in order legally.
 

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There is something like the 'simmons agreement' (still looking for the right spelling) that forbids the US to sell any weapons to a nuclear power that does not allow inspections, plain and simple and not followed. Clean up their own act before demanding others fix something that is already in order legally.

Still waiting on my questions.
 

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Finish answering mine first, you skipped one.



If Iran was given a new form of power from Israel and the US would the war-mongering from those two places stop entirely and for good?
No it would not.Iran would then cause more problems.

Has Israel been cooperating with the IAEA? (in that without inspections it is illiegal for the US to sell or gift them any weapons at all)

Isreal has not signed the NPT - Along with India, Pakistan and Nkorea withdrew
 

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Iran has not invaded a country we know that. But Iran has territorial claims that are still outstanding.

Israel is not a member of the NPT - Iran is.

My questions
When did Iran stop killing Iranian dissidents both inside Iran and in many other countries

When did Iran stop funding Proxies - from Hamas to the Taliban to the Shia in Iraq to Hezbollah in Lebanon?

The hardliners are out on both sides - does that tell you anything about a split within the ruling Thugocracy.

Reformers are boycotting the election - Tell me why?
What claims are outstanding?

Political speaker of political activist who uses explosives to get their point across. Perhaps Moosehaed should send it's people to speak to the public via a TV station with phone in calls instead of using some proxy that has no real support from the citizens of Iran.
Believe it or not Hamas is allowed to carry weapons, they are the elected Gov and they operate the Police. Hezubullah is the elected Government of Lebanon, they have the right to buy arms from anybody they wish.

If both parties hate the US who the **** can blame them, look at the unjustified persecution since '79. Talk about a 3yr old type tantrum, they should grow up, but first the people who support their current madness have to grow-up. If that includes you, so be it.