Too Much Energy Used to Mine, Move Bitumen Says BC Firm

captain morgan

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I don't know the exact figure. I assumed it's been multiple, not being from the area.

Ahh, turns out it hasn't been that long. It's only in the past couple years that untreated sewage has been overflowing when there is heavy precipitation, after a few lines were merged.

Gosh... The sands have been treating theirs too since the first day of production... What's say we go back to the old standards like the ones used in PEI way back in the day?

Deal?


Which issue? The toxic emissions are still falling out and running into the watershed.

Much like the untreated sewage
 

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Much like the untreated sewage

I never took you for someone who believes private industry should aim no higher than government successes, hmm. Oh and toxic emissions fallout every day. The release of raw sewage happens on heavy precipitation events only. And as we've discussed, Charlottetown is mitigating that.

Where's the plans to remove those toxic compounds from the emissions in Athabasca operations? You and others even deny they're there, or point elsewhere with red herrings when someone brings the issue up.
 

petros

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My arse made it to print? WTG arse!

Nah, I'll just chock that up to more of you talking out your arse instead.



You're assuming a plan exists, but then again you can't even link to the stats you spout, so I'm not really surprised that you would say that.
I can't link or you're too afraid you'll find what you don't want to see?
 

captain morgan

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I never took you for someone who believes private industry should aim no higher than government successes, hmm.

Are you suggesting that there be 2 different standards in play? One set of regs for the private sector and a different one for the public?


Oh and toxic emissions fallout every day.

Come, come now... Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that the effluents in a muni sewage system deals only with the human waste component.

I would have thought that you, as an experienced observer of our marine enviro, would understand that there are an extraordinary number of toxins that get flushed daily or poured down the storm sewers by our less-than-conscionable co-citizens.

Where's the plans to remove those toxic compounds from the emissions in Athabasca operations? You and others even deny they're there, or point elsewhere with red herrings when someone brings the issue up.

Much of the remedial actions will the same ones that work on the waste treatment slurries in the form of bacteriological action.

The difference in the oil/gas sector (or mining or forestry-related) is that the aforementioned industries take dedicated and aggressive steps to deal with the toxins.
 

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I can't link or you're too afraid you'll find what you don't want to see?

You won't link. It's standard for you to make claims and then refuse to even link to them yourself. I'm no mind reader, and besides what would I do with the rest of my time once I finished with yours?
 

petros

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So nothing was implimented from the NRBS and made law under the Environmental Protection and Enhancement Act? Oil companies never footed the bill to meet the objectives outlined by the NBRS which are law in AB?


Did I just pull that out of my ass, did I find it floating in the harbour or is it fact?
 

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Are you suggesting that there be 2 different standards in play? One set of regs for the private sector and a different one for the public?

No, I'm saying that for someone who frequently brings up the incompetence of the government, it's odd that you would want to use them as your yard stick.

Come, come now... Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that the effluents in a muni sewage system deals only with the human waste component.

How could I be so deluded when I mentioned storm water? Slow morning captain?

I would have thought that you, as an experienced observer of our marine enviro, would understand that there are an extraordinary number of toxins that get flushed daily or poured down the storm sewers by our less-than-conscionable co-citizens.

Absolutely there are. As of yet there are no requirements to remove pharmaceuticals from the water, but I believe there should be. But that doesn't mean I think an industrial polluter which produces regulated pollutants should be allowed to emit them into the air and water....
 

petros

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Are you suggesting that there be 2 different standards in play? One set of regs for the private sector and a different one for the public?
Considering that Municpal Govts are Corporations and they are bound to the same laws Charlottetown got lucky to have not been nailed heavily with fines and stop ****ting orders.
 

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Considering that Municpal Govts are Corporations and they are bound to the same laws Charlottetown got lucky to have not been nailed heavily with fines and stop ****ting orders.


No doubt, but as we see, there is a great amount of latitude - or just plain ignoring the issue - as compared to the handful of 'hated' industries that are the frequent targets of the moral majority.

I can't speak for all coastal cities, but I know that Victoria has a similar practice as PEI (worse I believe) and they have been refusing to recognize the concerns from muni's in Washington State.

Now, if a mine or lumber mill was knocking pollution into the oceans the same way as Victoria, we'd never hear the end of it.

BTW - I forgot to mention another critical sector that toes the line at their own costs... Agri sector - if the family farm can do it, I don't see why PEI has taken decades to institute this same agenda.
 

petros

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City of Regina came up with a great idea in conjunction with a potash concern. We're going to dump our sewage into a potash mine to reduce surface water useage and to top it all off generate electricty from the methane produced as it simmers down were it's a nice and toasty 26C.

That beats the hell out of killing shellfish.