Conservatives cut healthcare funding after 2018

captain morgan

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Why do it the hard way?

It'd be a helluva lot easier to simply create more sin taxes.... Donut Taxes, The Fatty Food Excise Tax, Bad Thoughts & Evil Intentions Excise Fee, the High Risk Sport Tax (not to be confused with the Not Engaging Physical Activity Tax) or a myriad of Age Specific Taxes that could be levied.
 

captain morgan

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The biggest problem with your plan is that it makes too much sense, that and the fact that they can't tax it.

Canadians have become used to having Big Brother look out for our best interests at every turn, and while some activities that they insist are harmful (like smoking), the Feds don't have the appetite to refuse that revenue stream - they're better-off waggling their fat little nepotistic fingers and rob you blind in the name if the common good.
 

Machjo

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Rent more hospital sq footage to donut and pizza shops.

That also means less square footeage for the hospital's use though.

and $5 an hour for parking instead of $3

That I can agree to. If it's a real emergency, they're going by ambulance anyway. An exception might be made for those who have no choice in which case the hospital could give them a waver voucher. But in principle I agree with you on that one.
 

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Can you propose a funding source?

Maybe a tax on all heavy items to cover back care?

How about the same funding we use now except used for real health care practitioners instead of pill pushers and cutters that think expensive surgery are the cure for everything. There is a potential for huge savings. See how it is done in Germany where Naturopaths and mid wives have hospital privileges.

Only if they prevent chiropractors from doing 'allergy testing' by waving samples around, and have you push your hand against the chiropractor to see if you're allergic to things.

And only if they prevent naturopaths and chiropractors from selling anything related to treatment.

Actually that works. Although a more comprehensive testing is done with a type of galvanometer. This is mostly what my wife does for several Naturopathic doctors on the island. Most of her clients are the ones the pill pushers have given up on yet she has excellent results. Treatments sold by Naturopaths are made with natural ingredients, along with a 1000 or so years of proven track record not mixing a bunch of chemicals that often cause more problems than they cure.
 

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Actually that works. Although a more comprehensive testing is done with a type of galvanometer. This is mostly what my wife does for several Naturopathic doctors on the island. Most of her clients are the ones the pill pushers have given up on yet she has excellent results. Treatments sold by Naturopaths are made with natural ingredients, along with a 1000 or so years of proven track record not mixing a bunch of chemicals that often cause more problems than they cure.

Ah, that's a good system. I would suggest that we then allow doctors to own pharmacies, so they're on an equal footing and can prescribe medications with decent profit margins.
 

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Ah, that's a good system. I would suggest that we then allow doctors to own pharmacies, so they're on an equal footing and can prescribe medications with decent profit margins.

As long as the drug prices are government controlled doctors should own pharmacies
 

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Provinces considering future without health accord

OTTAWA — The provinces are grappling with the real possibility that they may soon be delivering health services without the guidance of a formal, national health care accord, The Canadian Press has learned.

They are scrambling to figure out how to move forward after Finance Minister Jim Flaherty took them by surprise last month when he handed them a 10-year funding package for health care with no policy strings attached.

Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq is now touring the country to see how her provincial counterparts want to proceed, with the official aim of stitching together a new accord that would set national standards and hold provincial governments to account for their spending.

And provincial premiers are preparing to hash out a some sort of plan when they meet in Victoria on Jan. 15 to 17.

But a no-accord approach is a distinct possibility, say provincial and federal officials.

"It's a possibility that we have no codified accord," said one federal source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

That's because the new funding arrangements for 2014 to 2024 were presented without negotiation, pleasing some of the Western provinces but upsetting the rest of the country. Now the federal government has signalled that it will be taking a back seat in setting health care policy.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper was asked this past week in a radio interview whether Ottawa is, in effect, telling the provinces to take full responsibility for health care. "Well, that's partly what we're saying," Harper said during an appearance on the Rutherford Show, an Alberta-wide radio call-in program.

"Look, most provinces are already projecting reductions in their own growth rates and health-care spending. But the provinces themselves, I think, are going to have to look seriously at what needs to be done to make the system more cost effective." Flaherty's fiat cements financing until 2024. It gives provinces some fiscal certainty about their levels of funding. But it also comes with no mechanism to ensure national standards or service improvements.

At the same time, the new 10-year funding arrangement will be allocated to the provinces based purely on a per-capita basis, eliminating any consideration for poorer provinces, fragile tax bases or higher costs in remote areas.

That means the distribution of the funding will swing heavily in favour of richer provinces west of Manitoba, to the detriment of Manitoba and east.

The equalization formula is also up for negotiation soon, so there is no guarantee poorer provinces will see additional federal cash to make up for the health redistribution.

The concern is that without national standards, have-not provinces will see their health care systems deteriorate, as the health services in richer provinces flourish.

"Is it appropriate that the federal government just washes its hands of the country's most important social program?" asked one provincial official, who was not authorized to speak publicly.

Some of those have-not provinces are contemplating a co-ordinated push back against the unilateralist nature of Flaherty's funding.

They would argue that Harper promised a collaborative approach to health care during the last federal election campaign, and has also committed to reducing wait times and improving accountability and health care services more generally.

But they are far from united heading into their meeting in Victoria. And it's not clear Harper would have any obligation or incentive to listen to them anyway. "There's not a hell of a lot the provinces can do about it," said University of Regina professor Greg Marchildon, who was the executive director of Roy Romanow's royal commission to reform health care a decade ago.

"They can complain publicly but they cannot force the federal government to come to the table and negotiate."

The provinces will have a difficult time forging a national accord as long as one of the key players -- the federal government -- is absent from those discussions, Marchildon said. And Harper has shown little inclination to join in.

"There can't be an accord unless there's an agreement to have a meeting," he said. "The federal government does not want a meeting so there can't be an accord."

 

TenPenny

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Yes, if you want the quality of your healthcare tied to a businesses profits. :)


Every doctor that I've been to runs a small business. If they don't make a profit, they'll close their office and move elsewhere.

I'm not sure what kind of doctors you go to, where you don't expect it to have anything to do with business and profits.