Rex Murphy: Removing Julian Assange’s halo

Assange is responsible for a number of Innocent Deaths


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DaSleeper

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I enjoyed the Vietnam references. but you still haven't provided anything that says we have obligations or that charges are to be laid.

GASP!!! So what are our obligations to the rats? Can you post those please?

Aside from moving them I can see that you have way Too much empty space between your goal posts. :smile:
I wonder if there would be any outrage from some in this forum if TIPS information were to be made public????
 

CDNBear

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That was in August 2010.
Isn't hindsight awesome.

To bad it isn't a legal consideration.

But don't let that fact get in the way.

Ohhhh it's MORAL obligations but not LEGAL obligations. I see.
Who said that?

There are provisions in the AR and UCMJ, to protect informants. It's the same legal standard as applies to Law Enforcement CI's.

If you admit to the error in your assertions, or prove them, I'll be happy to pass along the Code.
 
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petros

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Isn't hindsight awesome.

To bad it isn't a legal consideration.

But don't let that fact get in the way.

Who said that?

There are provisions in the AR and UCMJ, to protect informants. It's the same legal standard as applies to Law Enforcement CI's.

If you admit to your the error in your assertions, or prove them, I'll be happy to pass along the Code.
Sure point out where foreign rats have protection under laws that apply to the US military personnel.
 

mentalfloss

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What's your view on TIPS being made public????

 

petros

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Absolutely....


I guess you don't like my TIPS analogy only because it destroys your reasoning in defending Assange ?
Can a confidential informant be made to testify in court?
  • A: Possibly. A confidential informant or source is a person who assists the police by providing information used to charge or convict another person of a crime. The informant might be acting only out of a sense of duty to help apprehend violators without regard to personal gain. This kind of informant is called a "citizen informant." Other informants provide information in exchange for money. And still other informants provide their information in exchange for leniency in matters involving their own wrongdoing.
    Prosecutors must disclose the informant's identity if it would be relevant or helpful to the defense, or essential to giving the defenant a fair trial. Common examples of this are where the informant was an eyewitness to, or a participant in, any of the offenses that were charged.
    An informant can be made to testify at either a pretrial hearing or at a trial. For example, if the informant's identity is ordered disclosed because she was the source of information for a search warrant, and was present and witnessed the illegal acts that resulted in the warrant being issued, the informant might have to testify as a witness at a hearing before trial in which the defense argues the warrant was improperly issued.
    If the police or prosecutor don't want to reveal the identify of the informant, either for the informant's safety or so as not to "blow his cover" so the informant can be used in future cases, they'll go to great lengths to avoid having the informant testify. But in the end, it's up to the judge. She'll balance the request not to disclose the informant's identity against the constitutional rights of the accused to present a defense and to have a fair trial.
 

CDNBear

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I guess you don't like my TIPS analogy only because it destroys your reasoning in defending Assange ?
...

It's also called selective reasoning....

Can a confidential informant be made to testify in court?
  • A: Possibly. A confidential informant or source is a person who assists the police by providing information used to charge or convict another person of a crime. The informant might be acting only out of a sense of duty to help apprehend violators without regard to personal gain. This kind of informant is called a "citizen informant." Other informants provide information in exchange for money. And still other informants provide their information in exchange for leniency in matters involving their own wrongdoing.
    Prosecutors must disclose the informant's identity if it would be relevant or helpful to the defense, or essential to giving the defenant a fair trial. Common examples of this are where the informant was an eyewitness to, or a participant in, any of the offenses that were charged.
    An informant can be made to testify at either a pretrial hearing or at a trial. For example, if the informant's identity is ordered disclosed because she was the source of information for a search warrant, and was present and witnessed the illegal acts that resulted in the warrant being issued, the informant might have to testify as a witness at a hearing before trial in which the defense argues the warrant was improperly issued.
    If the police or prosecutor don't want to reveal the identify of the informant, either for the informant's safety or so as not to "blow his cover" so the informant can be used in future cases, they'll go to great lengths to avoid having the informant testify. But in the end, it's up to the judge. She'll balance the request not to disclose the informant's identity against the constitutional rights of the accused to present a defense and to have a fair trial.
Your point?
 

DaSleeper

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Can a confidential informant be made to testify in court?
  • A: Possibly. A confidential informant or source is a person who assists the police by providing information used to charge or convict another person of a crime. The informant might be acting only out of a sense of duty to help apprehend violators without regard to personal gain. This kind of informant is called a "citizen informant." Other informants provide information in exchange for money. And still other informants provide their information in exchange for leniency in matters involving their own wrongdoing.
    Prosecutors must disclose the informant's identity if it would be relevant or helpful to the defense, or essential to giving the defenant a fair trial. Common examples of this are where the informant was an eyewitness to, or a participant in, any of the offenses that were charged.
    An informant can be made to testify at either a pretrial hearing or at a trial. For example, if the informant's identity is ordered disclosed because she was the source of information for a search warrant, and was present and witnessed the illegal acts that resulted in the warrant being issued, the informant might have to testify as a witness at a hearing before trial in which the defense argues the warrant was improperly issued.
    If the police or prosecutor don't want to reveal the identify of the informant, either for the informant's safety or so as not to "blow his cover" so the informant can be used in future cases, they'll go to great lengths to avoid having the informant testify. But in the end, it's up to the judge. She'll balance the request not to disclose the informant's identity against the constitutional rights of the accused to present a defense and to have a fair trial.

TIPS informants in Canada subject to US law???????