B.C. Supreme Court upholds ban on polygamy

[gerryh]

Do you know right now who would walk away with your kid? No. that's all an issue for the courts, case by case, decided by mediators and judges.

The bigots would prefer to think that anything beyond their male/female one on one relationships are just too complicated for anything to be done about it. They prefer their simplistic mind set. Thinking "outside the box" is beyond their mental capability's. They prefer to have other people do the thinking for them and then follow along like good little puppy dogs.

 

[karrie]

If adults want to live in polygamy, i'm sure there are many 'open' marriages that would give them that freedom, adults do make their own rules for their sexual freedom, and open marriages allow them that freedom.

but I would never go along with our government legalizing polygamy, that would increase many controlling
types of relationships like that, of bountifull etc.,(who would hide behind the law), and again the children being forced into marriage, and boys
being thrown out of their homes because of competition would increase, and it would be very difficult, as it
is now to protect those minors, and there would be many more of them if it was legal.

Its all about minors and abuse of children including young teenagers, and if that was taken care of,
then bountifull and others like them would have no power to treat those minors like slaves and not allow them to grow up and make their own decisions.

If people want to leave those groups they have to 'escape', and as soon as one has to use that term, there
is definitely something wrong.
Children must be allowed to grow up, and choose to live a different life style than their parents if they
choose, and become an adult who makes his/her own decisions.
Polygamy would increase ten fold because it would bring into our country many
other nationalities who would take advantage of the law.

They hide behind these legal challenges to keep marrying young girls and denying their plural wives access to society. And they will for as long as we keep it illegal and pretend it's synonymous with child marriage and cultism. So long as we lump all three issues into one, it can never be disentangled and dealt with.

Yes, equal access. You want to split equal access with 5 others? That's good for your children?

You'd get equal access yeah. But my friend who's been raising his step-son wouldn't. He would however get visitation. Biological parents are the only ones under our current laws who get equal access.

 

[Kreskin]

The bigots would prefer to think that anything beyond their male/female one on one relationships are just too complicated for anything to be done about it. They prefer their simplistic mind set. Thinking "outside the box" is beyond their mental capability's. They prefer to have other people do the thinking for them and then follow along like good little puppy dogs.

I would want custody to go to all of them except those who refer to people incessantly as bigots. She would then have 4 moms but no dad.

 

[karrie]

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Funny timing, my book is finally in at the library.... The Ethical Sl-ut. Dedicated to the issue of polyamory and polygamy. A timely read.

 

[gerryh]

I would want custody to go to all of them except those who refer to people incessantly as bigots. She would then have 4 moms but no dad.

Bullshyte. You've already made it abundantly clear that you prefer to see the whole situation remain illegal thereby allowing crap like what happens in bountiful to continue happening.

 

[Kreskin]

Gerry, I'm ok with my wife's third husband getting custody of my kid. Especially if he can keep those women in their places. Not an easy job.

 

[JLM]

The whole charade was a waste of time and money, we've known since we were knee high that polygamy is illegal. Too bad the judges and attorneys general are so weak kneed. No common sense anywhere anymore! :roll:

 

[gerryh]

The whole charade was a waste of time and money, we've known since we were knee high that polygamy is illegal. Too bad the judges and attorneys general are so weak kneed. No common sense anywhere anymore! :roll:

Child brides are illegal. Child abuse is illegal. Child trafficking is illegal. Why not just take the leaders of bountiful down on this crap.

 

[TenPenny]

I
but I would never go along with our government legalizing polygamy, that would increase many controlling
types of relationships like that, of bountifull etc.,(who would hide behind the law), and again the children being forced into marriage, and boys
being thrown out of their homes because of competition would increase, and it would be very difficult, as it
is now to protect those minors, and there would be many more of them if it was legal.

I'm confused about how polygamy automatically means children being forced into marriage.

Let's just pretend polygamy was legal. That means a marriage license. Wouldn't that make it harder to marry a 13 year old girl?

 

[Cliffy]

Child brides are illegal. Child abuse is illegal. Child trafficking is illegal. Why not just take the leaders of bountiful down on this crap.

Precisely. It makes me wonder if the polygamy angle is just some deflection, making it look like they are dealing with an issue the public demands be dealt with by not really dealing with the issue. Of course the issue is child abuse, not polygamy.

 

[JLM]

Precisely. It makes me wonder if the polygamy angle is just some deflection, making it look like they are dealing with an issue the public demands be dealt with by not really dealing with the issue. Of course the issue is child abuse, not polygamy.

Yep, there are certainly enough "tools" to deal with all this crap, if the judges had the gumption. After all this hoop la I'll be pissed off if Blackmore and his ilk don't wind up in jail for the duration. Frickin parasite!

 

[wulfie68]

Child brides are illegal.

Not exactly: marriages can take place involving minors with parental consent... which becomes an issue with those sects that practice this type of polygamy.

Child abuse is illegal. Child trafficking is illegal. Why not just take the leaders of bountiful down on this crap.

They might not have the evidence to do so. Prosecutors have to skate on some pretty thin ice in going after groups like that in Bountiful because of the rights of parents with regard to their children, freedom of religion, and of course the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Someone earlier in the thread made the comparison to Al Capone and the US gov't getting him on tax fraud charges, and not other crimes... and to my (layman's) perspective, I think that is exactly what happened.

I'm in agreement with a lot of what Karrie and others have said about the onus to solve problems with consenting adults and polygamous relationships should be on the legal system WITHOUT having to make the practice illegal but since it is, prosecutors can use it to go after the Bountiful folks and their ilk.

 

[TenPenny]

Maybe you should try thinking inside the box - called normal thinking, normal way of life for most people. Not everyone likes to sleep around, break all the rules and christianity they claim they believe in.

I'm pretty sure no one is asking you to do these things.

Isn't the whole point of polygamy that it ISN'T sleeping around?

 

[JLM]

I'm pretty sure no one is asking you to do these things.

Isn't the whole point of polygamy that it ISN'T sleeping around?

I'd say it IS......................it's documented sleeping around. :lol:

 

[petros]

One gamy is plenty for myself. I doubt I could live through shoe shopping for two or more women. I'd probably string myself up in the food court restrooms.

 

[talloola]

They hide behind these legal challenges to keep marrying young girls and denying their plural wives access to society. And they will for as long as we keep it illegal and pretend it's synonymous with child marriage and cultism. So long as we lump all three issues into one, it can never be disentangled and dealt with.


access.

the legal system has to figure out how to address the child abuse in these groups 'now', and also address
the polygamy now.
As I said before we would open up our country to many groups around the world who would come here just
to live under the polygamy 'legal system, don't know about you, but I sure don't want to see that.
We aren't a third world system, and don't want to move in that direction.

Stay far away from legalizing this life choice, it is not for the civilized and caring, it is for the
crude and not caring.

 

[CDNBear]

We aren't a third world system, and don't want to move in that direction.

How does legal polygamy move a country towards being 'third world'?

Stay far away from legalizing this life choice, it is not for the civilized and caring, it is for the
crude and not caring.

If you remove the optics of Bountiful from the picture, it seems to be the opposite. IMHO.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

This is my main disagreement with the court's ruling. 99% of the people I know disagree with Bountiful, NOT because of the plural marriages, but because of the child marriages. Yet the court seems to insist on attacking it from the wrong way round rather than making it clear that polygamy is to be practiced only by consenting adults. Make it illegal for a 14 year old to marry. Plain and simple. Set and enforce child protection laws that prevent child marriages. Because let's be honest, some of these men decide not to do plural marriages, one 14 year old is good enough for them. And then what? Is that magically okay?

An adult man can't marry a 14 year old in Canada right now, you need a system like Bountiful to do it and that has been made illegal. It can no longer be gussied up as freedom of religon to marry 14 year olds. This was a good decision.

 

[gerryh]

An adult man can't marry a 14 year old in Canada right now, you need a system like Bountiful to do it and that has been made illegal. It can no longer be gussied up as freedom of religon to marry 14 year olds. This was a good decision.

Wrong

 

[petros]

Wrong

Is it still 12 as long as the parents agree?