B.C. Supreme Court upholds ban on polygamy
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That actually sounds like any other normal divorce. Lots of lies about each other and all the families picking sides with the kids used as pawns and weapons. Please try to tell me this isn't seen in many situations with one husband and one wife? :roll:
Do I ever feel sorry for your hubby.
You claim ownership of him??? He's only allowed out with you or your sons??? You scream at him???
Seems to me it's all about you in that marriage and you are pretty controlling and that's just not healthy
Not in every case possibly, but it does in this case. Banning polygamy here is no infringement of rights, nor the state getting back into the bedroom. Where harm is obvious and ongoing, with no remedy offered, some practices can be banned for the greater good.
Let's not be too full of BS here, I doubt anyone on this forum has ever had anything to do with polygamy. Polygamy for 99% of us only exists in the newspaper. It is a primitive, pre-modern practice that was useful at some times in the past, but not here now.
I saw on TV, in New Guinea, aboriginals lived in treetops and one man had three wives from neighbouring villages. He had three wives to prevent sudden attacks by these neighbouring villages. He was now related to them and life was safer for him and his family.
This is my main disagreement with the court's ruling. 99% of the people I know disagree with Bountiful, NOT because of the plural marriages, but because of the child marriages. Yet the court seems to insist on attacking it from the wrong way round rather than making it clear that polygamy is to be practiced only by consenting adults. Make it illegal for a 14 year old to marry. Plain and simple. Set and enforce child protection laws that prevent child marriages. Because let's be honest, some of these men decide not to do plural marriages, one 14 year old is good enough for them. And then what? Is that magically okay?
Well, exactly. Polygamy is not the problem, and is not inherently harmful to women and children. What they do in Bountiful is harmful to women and children, but that does not make polygamy in general harmful to women and children.
Polygamous societies usually feature the following:
1. Arranged marriages with the young women involved usually having little choice as to whom they marry.
2. Women forced to marry at unusually young ages - preteen wives are not unusual
3. A high rate of death or illness or reduced lifespan resulting from young women being forced to have children before they are
physically ready
4. Women generally being denied education and forced into the roles of wife and mother
5. Younger wives frequently being used as servants by the older wives along with considerable bullying
6. Older wives being shunted aside in favour of the younger more sexually interesting women
I could probably come up with a few more, but this is all I can think of right now. And this is only the impact on the women in such societies. Polygamy also creates many more problems for the rest of society. In fact, if you want a real look at the problems of polygamy you need look no farther than countries like Afghanistan.
Dead on....
And in Bountiful, young men are forced out at a very early age, thrown aside by their family...........too much competition for the older males......
that is all so sad, no different than animals forcing their young males out of the herd because they
don't want the competition.
the higher intelligence that we have should 'not' allow for such thoughtlessness and selfishness, it is
an ugly scar on the human race.
our children are our most precious reward of our marriages, and we should cherish and rear them right
up to adulthood, and help them become confident and happy as they move on.
and they can give all of the lame excuses they want to try to explain how that arrangement is all about
caring for each other, but it is so 'obvious' just what it is.
men, finding a way to control and have sex with many different women, and they find the women who can
be controlled, so for those men, its win win, and for the women, its brainwashed and slavery, and the same for all of the children.
and the fact that it might be religious beliefs is sickening.
At the risk of beating a dead horse, these things are not synonymous with polygamy.
As a bisexual female I can't help but think if I entered into a polygamous relationship, I fail to see how I'd be less equal than the man. You guys keep trying to paint polygamy with the brush that religions use. That's not the only definition.
Really? Then how do you explain the fact that the effects I listed have occurred in every known polygamous society in human history? I'm afraid your particular horse isn't just dead, its been sent to the rendering plant.
Perhaps, but if you can name a fully polygamous society in which religion did not play a part please give us an illustration. Only the power of religion could convince the members of a society to agree to a system that is little better than a form of slavery.
True enough. The shortage of women in polygamous societies tends to create severe social disharmony among young males, leading to increased violence and other social disorders.
But none of the items you have mentioned are necessarily part of polygamy. Furthermore, you have only mentioned polygamy as meaning one husband and multiple wives.
So you are basing the application of law on one version of polygamy, as distorted by some people. And when the court does this, it leaves the ruling wide open for appeal, as all of the grounds they mention don't necessarily apply to polygamy in general.
I like your logic. Only the power of religion could convince people to agree to a system based on the power of religion.
Show us how fully grown adults in a multiple marriage with fully grown adults will by necessity involve child brides and arranged marriages. After all, you claim those things are, by necessity, part of polygamy.
Well, they all tend to happen to some extent in non-polygamous societies as well so I'm still not sure what your point is. Since "Arranged marriages with the young women involved usually having little choice as to whom they marry" occurs in monogamous cultures, one could argue that that is a reason to ban monogamy.
I think where this all gets kind of muddy is in the optics. Most people don't see a guy with two wifes living a relatively normal life. What is seen is communities like Bountiful where there is obvious abuse. Separate a lifestyle from a cult and maybe there will be more understanding.
AS I see it the court has done little more than make polygamy the marriage equivalent of our drug laws. Marriage by an approved church is like getting drugs from a doctor. Non approved marriages is no different from buying drugs from a street vendor. Both are going to happen regardless of what the government does and in both cases innocents are going to suffer because of the narrow minded views of those in charge.
This court case was all about Bounty under the guise of it being about polygamy.
I kind of see it the same way as how they finally took down Capone. Tax evasion is not why they wanted to take him down, but it worked so they took it.
I kind of see it the same way as how they finally took down Capone. Tax evasion is not why they wanted to take him down, but it worked so they took it.
I really don't care how many guys....or girls you live with.
That is not my business.
But when you call it "marriage", and seek all the social benefits of same, then I have a problem with it......and when it includes young girls and the ejection of young men from the society, I have a HUGE problem with it.
The vast vast majority of polygamy in Canada is religiously based.