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[gerryh]

Suck it up. Millar coming out of his net like that made himself a target. We can't be having goalies become untouchable or you will soon see them heading for center ice because they know they can't be touched. They come out of their crease, they are a fair target. If they come out of their crease a keep their head down, their own fault.

 

[talloola]

Suck it up. Millar coming out of his net like that made himself a target. We can't be having goalies become untouchable or you will soon see them heading for center ice because they know they can't be touched. They come out of their crease, they are a fair target. If they come out of their crease a keep their head down, their own fault.

wrong on all accounts, and if I had said what you just said, you would have
taken the other position, again, very transparent.

 

[TenPenny]

I am puzzled, since when does a judge in real life chat with the alleged guilty party, then decide from
what he said that he is innocent or guilty.

I believe that's what happens in a courtroom, but often the allegedly guilty party is represented by a lawyer, although not always.

 

[Mowich]

no I didn't hear that. I don't listen to NW much at all any more, but McRae is definitely a one of a
kind, a little scratchy, a lot sarcastic, but guess that is his 'gig', sets him apart, and he's still
plugging along.

I do remember the plane crash and the news conference being a day apart, and the big star of the
news conference was the doctor, whom I learned many things from that day about concussions, it was quite
interesting.

But the overkill has definitely been apparant in this situation, and I've never seen a player treated with
such kid gloves in all the years i've watched the game.

It is kind of uncomfortable, just get on with it, either play or don't play, whatever.

I agree that the hype over Sid's comeback is over the top.............but I blame the media for the constant attention, talloola. Sid isn't calling any press conferences - he tries to avoid the media as much as possible but the sports media just won't let this go. I'm ignoring anything to do with it until the Penguins actually make an announcement that he will play the next day.

wrong on all accounts, and if I had said what you just said, you would have
taken the other position, again, very transparent.

The Lucic hit on Miller is the talk of the town and I agree that there will be retribution for the hit. As to the legality or illegality of the hit - after seeing the replay and listening to all the 'experts', I am still up in the air as to who is most responsible - though I am no fan of Lucics.

 

[talloola]

I believe that's what happens in a courtroom, but often the allegedly guilty party is represented by a lawyer, although not always.

of course they are, I was just trying to make a comparison, as a lawyer doesn't make any of those
decisions, but judges do.

I agree that the hype over Sid's comeback is over the top.............but I blame the media for the constant attention, talloola. Sid isn't calling any press conferences - he tries to avoid the media as much as possible but the sports media just won't let this go. I'm ignoring anything to do with it until the Penguins actually make an announcement that he will play the next day.



The Lucic hit on Miller is the talk of the town and I agree that there will be retribution for the hit. As to the legality or illegality of the hit - after seeing the replay and listening to all the 'experts', I am still up in the air as to who is most responsible - though I am no fan of Lucics.

yes, I agree with you about syd
they just announced this morning, that he will not play tonight

in the rule book, goalies are 'not' fair game when out of the crease.

I have seen many plays where 'both' are racing for the puck, and get there at the same time, hence a
collision of some sort, but in most of those cases the player skating usually makes some sort of an
effort to jump over the goalie if possible, and this situation was nothing like that.

miller was not moving, he was allready at the puck, in came lucic skating fast, with lots of time to
make a decision to go around him or stop and challenge him for the puck, but he chose to body check
him without slowing down at all.

my arguement is this. I don't think he should be suspended or even fined, but the stand that shanahan
took is wishy washy, as he asked lucic about the hit, accepted his explanation, then did nothing.
at least give him a tongue lashing, and make an announcement to all g.ms concerning this situation,
and go from there, that would have taken a bit of the fire out of the 'feelings' in buffalo, as they
are feeling bad because they didn't do enough immediately after the incident, (interview with their
player), they apologized to their own goalie and guess what happens next.

a goalie is not trained to take part in body checking, not his job, but he has every right to skate
out after a puck, that is part of the game.
now the sabres are down one goalie which makes a huge difference in their team.
can you image what boston would have done if that play had of been on their goalie, and they said as
much in an interview, (we would not have accepted a play like that on our goalie), just rubbing salt
in the wound.

we see goalies go around the back of the net all the time, and no player coming
around 'on the other' team ever bodychecks them, and that is a time when they
could be flipped over and sent flying, it doesn't happen. respect is the word.

if I was lucic I would have said the same thing he said when interviewed by shanahan, as he claimed
his innocence and how unaware he was of the possible problem. He didn't slow down, why not, he didn't
veer around miller, why not, is he kind of stupid and can't think that fast, no.

 

[TenPenny]

in the rule book, goalies are 'not' fair game when out of the crease.

Oh, I think Lucic will get his one of these days; it's common knowledge that you don't take out the goalie unless you want retribution.

Now maybe Philly will stand there with the puck again, because they can't figure out how to get it down the ice past 3 players. What's happened to NHL players? None of the Flyers can figure out how to carry the puck down the ice?

 

[talloola]

Oh, I think Lucic will get his one of these days; it's common knowledge that you don't take out the goalie unless you want retribution.

Now maybe Philly will stand there with the puck again, because they can't figure out how to get it down the ice past 3 players. What's happened to NHL players? None of the Flyers can figure out how to carry the puck down the ice?

wasn't that an interesting situation, have never seen that before, they were protesting the type of
trap defense tampa bay play, so they deliverately stood there to make t bay come to them, but they
didn't, so everyone just stood there, a game of hockey where no one moves, wierd.

 

[DurkaDurka]

I watched milan lucic come down the ice last night and target ryan millar (buffalo goalie), who had
come out into the regular ice area, and he bowled him over very aggressively.

miller now has a concussion

shanahan, NHL decision make for suspension/fines etc., interviewed lucic and decided that after he talked
to him, he concluded that there was no intent at all, so didn't fine or suspend him

I am puzzled, since when does a judge in real life chat with the alleged guilty party, then decide from
what he said that he is innocent or guilty.

OF COURSE LUCIC WOULD SAY EVERYTHING HE CAN TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK TOTALLY INNOCENT, and shanahan fell
for it hook line and sinker.

teams only have 2 goalies, they should be off limits when it comes to 'real' body checking, lucic had
lots of time to go around him, it was not spontaneous or happen too fast, he had lots of time.
lucic is a huge man, had lots of momentum built up, miller was standing still, it
was a very stupid thing to do.

there are very hard feelings from this, and it isn't completely over, this non move by shanahan has set
up future revenge, I don't like it at all.
it is the responsibility of the nhl to settle these things fairly, it wasn't.

I was under the impression that the head of discipline always talked to the alleged offender prior to meting out punishments. In the case of a goalie coming out of the crease to play the puck, I wouldn't hesitate in bowling him over if I thought I might be able to dig the puck loose. Also, you can hardly accuse Shanahan of being biased, he's been the most consistent person in that position in years.

miller was not moving, he was allready at the puck, in came lucic skating fast, with lots of time to
make a decision to go around him or stop and challenge him for the puck, but he chose to body check
him without slowing down at all.

Unless he has 100% coverage of the puck and has it under control, he's fair game. Being a goalie doesn't give one carte blanche to roam out of the net without being challenged.

a goalie is not trained to take part in body checking, not his job, but he has every right to skate
out after a puck, that is part of the game.

You're defeating your own argument. Goalies can't have it both ways, their exclusive zone is the crease. If they wander out to play pucks, they take the risk of being hit.

 

[talloola]

I was under the impression that the head of discipline always talked to the alleged offender prior to meting out punishments. In the case of a goalie coming out of the crease to play the puck, I wouldn't hesitate in bowling him over if I thought I might be able to dig the puck loose. Also, you can hardly accuse Shanahan of being biased, he's been the most consistent person in that position in years.

they announced that shanahan interviewed lucic, accepted his explanation, and there won't be any dicipline.
yes, they always do talk to them, all of them.
shanahan said that he was satisfied after talking to lucic that there was 'no' intent, well we can watch
the play a thousand times, he intended to hit him, the no intent was probably to not kill him. lol

the goalie is 'not' fair game when skating out of the crease, whether you would bowl him over or not
has nothing to do with it, you would be penalizing yourself, (lucic did get a 2 min minor)

I didn't accuse him of being biased, I said his explanation was wishy washy, and to take this further,
maybe shanahan has contacted all of the gms and talked to them about this situation, we don't really
know that.
a situation like this doesn't come around very often, so we will probably not see it again for some
time, it is unusual.

people are worried now that others will start running goalies all over the place because shanahan did
nothing, but I don't see that
happening, the respect for the health of teams goalies will always be there, and that is how it should
be.

 

[TenPenny]

wasn't that an interesting situation, have never seen that before, they were protesting the type of
trap defense tampa bay play, so they deliverately stood there to make t bay come to them, but they
didn't, so everyone just stood there, a game of hockey where no one moves, wierd.

Yeah, it was silly. To my mind, if you can't get past the 'neutral zone trap,' you're not that much of a skilled player. To hear that idiot on Hockey Night in Canada raving about how the rules of the game need to be changed so that the trap can't be used is completely silly, too.

I think Philly just made themselves look pathetic, but that's not unheard of in Philly.

 

[talloola]

Yeah, it was silly. To my mind, if you can't get past the 'neutral zone trap,' you're not that much of a skilled player. To hear that idiot on Hockey Night in Canada raving about how the rules of the game need to be changed so that the trap can't be used is completely silly, too.

I think Philly just made themselves look pathetic, but that's not unheard of in Philly.

yes, I agree, the trap has been used for many years, new jersey won a stanley cup playing that style
of hockey when lamaire coached them, then he took that to minnesota as there was no offensive talent
there, so he played the trap and just took advantage of turn overs.

good coaching can overcome those teams, unless of course players are not very good on both teams, then
maybe both teams will play that style, hence a very boring game, score 2-1 for somebody, but as
soon as a team gets ahead of a trap team by a couple of goals they must stop that style, they have
to try to score, so their trap goes out the window.

there is no way they can make a rule to stop a team from playing that style.

 

[Mowich]

The Jets won their game against the Flyers today, I believe the score was 6 to 4 with the Leafs getting an empty-netter late in the third.

The Habs are leading the Rangers 2 zip in the second period. The Habs were all over the Rangers in the 1rst and are doing their best to keep ahead of them in the 2nd. The Habs penalty killing is spot on so far tonight.

TO is leading 4 - 1 over the Capitols in the second period and Phil Kessel got another goal.

 

[Cannuck]

The Jets won their game against the Flyers today, I believe the score was 6 to 4 with the Leafs getting an empty-netter late in the third.

Go Jets Go!!!!

 

[Mowich]

Go Jets Go!!!!

Yee Haw. We can agree on something - I am so glad, Cannuck. I don't expect much of the team considering the short amount of time that they have been back in the league - thus every win is a real accomplishment in my books. :smile:

Yeah, GO, JETS, GO!

 

[Cannuck]

Yee Haw. We can agree on something - I am so glad, Cannuck. I don't expect much of the team considering the short amount of time that they have been back in the league - thus every win is a real accomplishment in my books. :smile:

Yeah, GO, JETS, GO!

They will improve as they mature. The unknown for me is Burmistrov. They are weak up the middle but if this kid develops like it looks like he may, that isn't going to be a problem. They have a good young group of forwards and a good young group of D. Pavelec should do OK but it remains to be seen if he will be consistent enough.

 

[Mowich]

They will improve as they mature. The unknown for me is Burmistrov. They are weak up the middle but if this kid develops like it looks like he may, that isn't going to be a problem. They have a good young group of forwards and a good young group of D. Pavelec should do OK but it remains to be seen if he will be consistent enough.

Thanks for your take on the team, Cannuck. I am by no means an expert on things hockey and enjoy reading what others with more knowledge, have to say about the game and players.

I really do not have one single team that I cheer for. I have a bit of a bias towards some Canadian teams, but not all of them. I'm cheering the Habs on right now as they are up 3 zip midway thru the 3rd. I also like many US teams especially the Penguins - though mainly because they have Sid.

Oops. Make that 4 zip for the Habs. They just snuck another one in with just over 5 mins to play in the game. Go, Habs! :smile:

The Leafs are up 6 to 1 over the Capitols with less than 5 mins to go in the game.

Carey Price got another shut-out as the Habs whupped the Rangers 4 zip. Rock on Habs.

The Leafs just took out the Capitols 7 to 1. Rock on Leafs.

Second game of double-header tonight is the Oilers and Hawks. This could be fun.

 

[Cannuck]

I really do not have one single team that I cheer for.

Neither do I. I generally cheer for small market teams. The Sabres, the Nordiques (when they return), the Packers and Saints in the NFL, the Twins in baseball. I feel teams like the Rangers and the Yankees do more to hurt their leagues than help.

I grew up in Winnipeg and my dad worked for the Jets so I've always been a fan and of course, the Blackhawks because of Bobby Hull.

 

[Johnnny]

As if the leafs beat the capitals...... Gustavsson was in net the score should have been 7 to 1 washington

 

[Mowich]

The Oilers are up 5 to 1 at the end of the 1rst - they out shot the Hawks 12 to 6.

8 - 2 Oilers end of 2nd period. These kids are just amazing tonight. Their last PP goal was almost like watching synchronized hockey - it was that well played. They spend the majority of their time in the Hawks zone during their PPs.

They have 4 PP goals and have out shot the Hawks 3 to 1. If I have any criticism it is their penalty killing but apparently they are missing a key defence-man so that might account for the two PP goals by the Black Hawks. Other than that, these kids are a real joy to watch. They are so fast and they just keep coming at you.

I was right, this is fun to watch.


Taylor Hall just got himself a hat-trick! Way to go Taylor and against the Black Hawks yet - how sweet it is. Yeah Taylor! Oh and it is now 9 to 2 for the Oilers who have dominated every single period of this game so far.

 

[Kreskin]

I'd watch more of the game but that announcer drives me nuts. Feels like I'm watching Midget B when he does play by play.