U.S. to re-route Keystone XL due to environmental concerns

TenPenny

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What types do you plan on piping at what velocity, volume, over what terrain and climate? How many on that map go over a mtn range?

Well Laverne and Shirley what is stopping Canadians from doing it? The guy in the Dodge?

Let's face it, you don't know much about refined product pipelines. Give it up already.

At what velocity, volume and dilution ratio?

Not funding. Frost. Fuels do have a water content you know.

Of course they do, and not only that, but some systems use slugs of salt water to separate the streams when they are pumping batches of different products.
 

petros

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So you keep telling me.

You have to go to Minot North Dakota and tell those silly Americans that what they're doing, can't be done.

How hard is it to become an expert in everything like you?
It's all starts by gettiing your grade 12...

Minot get's it's gasoline and diesel by truck from Regina. So why is it only $0.88 ($3.39gal) there for trucked in CDN fuel?
 

CDNBear

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It's all starts by gettiing your grade 12...
No offense. But two spelling errors in that comment, make it quite ironic.

Minot get's it's fuel by truck from Regina. So why is it only $0.88 ($3.39gal) there for trucked in CDN fuel?
There's a product line going into Minot.

If you looked at the map, you'd know that.
 

petros

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Is it a nahpthalene line feeding the Minneapolis refinery maybe? Where would that have it's product point of origin? A truck from SK?
 

petros

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Mere garden hoses in volume and velocity. Nothing capable of "value added in Canada" if trucks can supply US cities with CDN fuel cheaper and in larger quantities. Our Govt wouldn't have blown half a billion of Action Plan money on the highway if a pipeline had any usefulness.

If it had economic potential it would have been done 50 years ago.
 

CDNBear

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Mere garden hoses in volume and velocity. Nothing capabale of "value added in Canada" if truck can supply US cities with CDN fuel with trucks.
It's not my fault you don't understand they exist, and they are a factor in lower fuel prices in the States.

If it had economic potential it would have been done 50 years ago.

Yes, like the economic potential of tearing down refineries in Ontario.

Economic potential like investing in the power grid.

Economic potential like investing in infrastructure, period.

Economic savings for the consumer, is not a driving force.
 

petros

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It's not my fault you don't understand they exist, and they are a factor in lower fuel prices in the States
Beyond a line on the map what more can you supply about the content, volume, velocity, dilution ratio and how it could be viable for value added commercial export from western Canada?

I'd like to hear more about that point.
 

CDNBear

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Beyond a line on the map what more can you supply about the content, volume, velocity, dilution ratio and how it could be viable for value added commercial export from western Canada?

I'd like to hear more about that point.
Ya so would I. Where did I mention western Canada?
 

petros

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That's the point where this whole thing started. You jumped in mid-way.

Instead of exporting raw crude from oilsands....
 

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this vast natural resource that belongs to all Canadians.

And now the Harper government and the Premier of Alberta want to give Canadian refining and trucking jobs to foreign companies that will operate in a foreign country manned by foreigners. What would you call that?

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No, the Oil Sands resources belong only to Albertans.

As a result of this p/l, there will have to be more development in the Oil Sands to feed this line. This will creat even more jobs in AB.
Refining capacity is readily available in the US as Ven...sla is drying up and the US needs the feed. Can't build a refinery in Canada that is economical as the crack spreads are to low.
 

petros

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No, the Oil Sands resources belong only to Albertans.

As a result of this p/l, there will have to be more development in the Oil Sands to feed this line. This will creat even more jobs in AB.
Refining capacity is readily available in the US as Ven...sla is drying up and the US needs the feed. Can't build a refinery in Canada that is economical as the crack spreads are to low.
Do you guys have a King?

No, this is where it started...

We now know that to be false.
Keep it all in context bub and soak up what you've learned.
 

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TransCanada agrees to take Keystone XL around Nebraska

WASHINGTON – TransCanada Corp. has agreed to route its proposed Keystone XL pipeline around Nebraska’s Sand Hills, where the water table from Ogallala Aquifer is often feet or just mere inches below the surface.

For months, TransCanada has said it would be impractical – and potentially more environmentally harmful to route the pipeline anywhere but the path it had chosen – on a straight line through the Sand Hills and the Ogallala Aquifer.

Moreover, TransCanada had been pushing back hard against Nebraska lawmakers who convened a special session this month to pass legislation that would give the state some siting authority over energy pipelines. The State Department’s decision gave both sides a push to start working together on the something different.

It’s a sign TransCanada remains committed to Keystone XL despite facing another long period of review – until early 2013 – before the U.S. will make a final decision.

The U.S. State Department still must give the final approval to the project because it crosses an international border. But the Obama Administration will likely not have to deal with the politically charged issue until after the 2012 election because of the time it takes to study a new route.

Here is TransCanada’s statement this evening on the developments. Below that you’ll find the statement from Bold Nebraska, a leading progressive group in the state that has been working with landowners to force the Calgary-based company to come up with a new route.

"I am pleased to tell you that the positive conversations we have had with Nebraska leaders have resulted in legislation that respects the concerns of Nebraskans and supports the development of the Keystone XL pipeline,” said Alex Pourbaix, TransCanada’s president, Energy and Oil Pipelines. “I can confirm the route will be changed and Nebraskans will play an important role in determining the final route.”

Working together with the State Department, Nebraska’s Department of Environmental Quality will conduct an environmental assessment to define the best location for Keystone XL in Nebraska. We will cooperate with these agencies and provide them with the information they need to complete a thorough review that addresses concerns regarding the Sandhills region.


And here’s part of the statement from Bold Nebraska’s Jane Kleeb:
“We are proud of citizens for pushing state leaders to do the right thing: requiring the pipeline be moved out of the Sandhills and establishing a state-based regulatory system. However, we do not trust Transcanada. They have bullied and mislead landowners and citizens. Because of that we will be watching them like a hawk to ensure our land and water are protected. We look forward to citizens participating with the Nebraska Department of Environmental quality to ensure a fair and transparent study of alternative routes is conducted.”

“For Nebraskans who have opposed the route through the Sandhills from the start, this is welcome news and a huge victory. Thanks to immense public pressure, the citizens beat Big Oil …

Today’s announcement also reinforces the Obama Administration’s decision to analyze the pipeline for another year. TransCanada will now face two thorough review processes at a state and federal level. In Nebraska, our state government will examine the environmental impact of the new route. The federal level will assess the environmental impacts of the entire pipeline, including information on greenhouse gas emissions and the impacts of tar sands on our water supply. Both of these reviews must be done in a fair, thorough, and transparent manner.



Nebraskans still have a lot of serious, important questions about this pipeline. We stand with our leaders including Speaker Flood who have listened to the voices of Nebraskans. We think that this victory is a shining moment in Nebraska’s history and a sign to all elected officials that citizens will hold them accountable.
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Transcanada agrees to take Keystone XL around Nebraska



 
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