9-11-ten yrs Later

[MHz]

were the americans not trying to help the south vietemese from being sucked into communism.

How did they make out after the US abandoned them? 40 years later they have healed the war wounds, Israel is still in a state of perpetual war some 60 later. The US sacrificed the budding democracy of Afghanistan to complete the fall of the USSR. Who was the bigger danger to 'peace' in the incident discussed below?

IntelliBriefs: How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen
March 31, 2011

How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen



Interview of Zbigniew Brzezinski Le Nouvel Observateur (France), Jan 15-21, 1998, p. 76*
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?
Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

 

[EagleSmack]

Absolute, unmitigated, unthinking, outrageous Bull****.

What the HELL does the war in Cambodia, Vietnam, and Laos have to do with 9-11???

He's just doing a bit of hating. He feels the urge every so often.

 

[Cannuck]

Absolute, unmitigated, unthinking, outrageous Bull****.

What the HELL does the war in Cambodia, Vietnam, and Laos have to do with 9-11???

Clearly the connection is US foreign policy. You can agree or disagree but the comparison does exist.

 

[JLM]

He's just doing a bit of hating. He feels the urge every so often.

There will always be those who come up with ulterior motives and a different set of perpetrators no matter how stupid it is. Why can't people just accept that it was just suicide bombers just doing what it is they do. Besides I would guess the U.S. is perfectly within their right to establish whatever foreign policy they want....................anyone who doesn't like doesn't have to deal with them!

 

[#juan]

There will always be those who come up with ulterior motives and a different set of perpetrators no matter how stupid it is. Why can't people just accept that it was just suicide bombers just doing what it is they do. Besides I would guess the U.S. is perfectly within their right to establish whatever foreign policy they want....................anyone who doesn't like doesn't have to deal with them!

Talk about looking at the world through a toilet paper tube. Now you would have us believe that the 9/11 attackers were just out for a
leasurely holiday and just happened to fly planes full of people into buildings for no reason. I happen to think that U.S. foreign policy
generated the hatred that spawned 9/11.

 

[Cannuck]

Besides I would guess the U.S. is perfectly within their right to establish whatever foreign policy they want....................anyone who doesn't like doesn't have to deal with them!

Tell that to Iraq, and Vietnam and a myriad of other nations that didn't want to deal with them

 

[JLM]

Talk about looking at the world through a toilet paper tube. Now you would have us believe that the 9/11 attackers were just out for a
leasurely holiday and just happened to fly planes full of people into buildings for no reason. I happen to think that U.S. foreign policy
generated the hatred that spawned 9/11.

They may well have flown planes into the W.T.C. based on their perceived opinion of U.S. foreign policy, but that doesn't mean there is fault with U.S. foreign policy.

 

[Cannuck]

They may well have flown planes into the W.T.C. based on their perceived opinion of U.S. foreign policy, but that doesn't mean there is fault with U.S. foreign policy.

If people are willing to die to defend "themselves" against the policy, a reasonable person would, at the very least, ask himself why.

 

[EagleSmack]

Talk about looking at the world through a toilet paper tube. Now you would have us believe that the 9/11 attackers were just out for a
leasurely holiday and just happened to fly planes full of people into buildings for no reason. I happen to think that U.S. foreign policy
generated the hatred that spawned 9/11.

So do you think Canada's recent policy (i.e bombing) in Libya opens you folks up to 9/11 type actions? What about its participation in Afghanistan? It's actions in Somalia... its inaction in Rwanda?

They may well have flown planes into the W.T.C. based on their perceived opinion of U.S. foreign policy, but that doesn't mean there is fault with U.S. foreign policy.

I'm sure ideology is not factored into some of their arguments.

 

[JLM]

If people are willing to die to defend "themselves" against the policy, a reasonable person would, at the very least, ask himself why.

I don't think reasonable people spend a lot of time questioning the motives of verified nut cases.

 

[MHz]

So do you think Canada's recent policy (i.e bombing) in Libya opens you folks up to 9/11 type actions? What about its participation in Afghanistan? It's actions in Somalia... its inaction in Rwanda?

Would that not also include France and Britain as they are the ones who ended up with all the corporate contracts that will finalize the slavery of the locals, ... I mean freedom.
Perhaps any Govt addresses in Ottawa should be blacked out, if you cant't find the place they should be free from any/all acts of terrorism/retribution.

 

[EagleSmack]

Would that not also include France and Britain as they are the ones who ended up with all the corporate contracts

That is what you get after leading the bombing campaign? Wow... no respect.

Perhaps any Govt addresses in Ottawa should be blacked out, if you cant't find the place they should be free from any/all acts of terrorism/retribution.

What a stupid idea.

 

[MHz]

That is what you get after leading the bombing campaign? Wow... no respect.

Probably should have told them before hand. Oh wait, we don't even have any corporations that can independently apply for any local contracts let alone international ones. Ski-doos and water bombers is about it, not a huge call for either in the Sahara Desert

 

[wulfie68]

Would you consider this as an example of how out of step they are in their foreign policies? What better example top show they are just like a spoiled brat, JMHO

By Associated Press, Published: October 25


UNITED NATIONS — The U.N. General Assembly voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to condemn the U.S. embargo against Cuba for the 20th year in a row.

The final tally was 186-2, with only Israel joining the United States as it did last year. The small Pacific nations of Palau, Micronesia and the Marshall Islands abstained as they also did last year.

The US was the country most affected by the Cuban revolution, and one of the closest neighbours of Cuba. Couple this with the fact that the US has to deal with political refugess from Cuba, more than any other nation, I can see where they have a strong opinion on what is wrong and how it needs to be dealt with. We can argue about the morality of some US corporate claims of losses due to the revolution but that doesn't mean the US gov't doesn't have a responsibility to its citizens who were affected by it. And that doesn't change the fact that Cuba IS a repressive dictatorship, who likes to dump its problems to other countries. When Cuba decided in the 80s to empty their prisons, they sent the inmates to the Florida and made them the US gov'ts problem.They also have the right to trade with whomever they wish, on whatever terms they wish; if the other country doesn't like the terms, they can go elsewhere (its the same attitude the Chinese have, and I can respect it as their perogative while I think our politicians are idiots to go along with it).

Talk about looking at the world through a toilet paper tube. Now you would have us believe that the 9/11 attackers were just out for a leasurely holiday and just happened to fly planes full of people into buildings for no reason. I happen to think that U.S. foreign policy generated the hatred that spawned 9/11.

Ah yes, the Chretien School of Blame. There's some truth to this but a lot of BS. Its ignores the fact that for better than 60 years communists DID seek to destabilize governments and bring about communist revolutions throughout Asia, Africa, South America and to an extent, Europe as well. The US led NATO and the West in standing against this wave of repression. Lets not ignore that Canada was a minor, but willing accomplice, through its NATO, NORAD and other defense treaties with the US, the Brits and others in standing against the communists.

With the benefit of our historical 20-20 vision, we can see that some of the allies the West chose, such as the South Vietnamese, were bad choices and as unsavory as those we sought to stop. We can also see that we made some selfish choices, such as not following through on aid to Afghanistan, after the Soviets were thrown out, that have come home to haunt us.

But to just blame 9/11 on US foreign policy is overly simplistic and intellectually dishonest, at the very least.

One of Al-Qaeda 's chief issues with the West is our support of Israel. What is the alternative? Shall we cut off all aid to Israel and let them be overwhelmed and wiped out by their Arab neighbours? Historically some of our leaders have made some poor decisions, with regard to Middle Eastern policy, dating back beyond the French and the Brits dividing up the old Ottoman Empire after WW I, so how is that the fault of the US gov't for not allowing the state of Israel to be wiped off the map?

Again, this is a case of simplistic wrong answers to complex issues.

 

[MHz]

The US was the country most affected by the Cuban revolution, and one of the closest neighbours of Cuba.

The US was the only reason they needed a revolution in the first place. (for the least important in that Nation) Watch for the same trend to happen in Libya, same as it was in Iran from 1953-1979 and in Venezuela before Chavez was voted in.

The Truth About Cuba: Before the Revolution and After
All this raises the question of the essence of Cuba. I should say 'revolutionary' Cuba. The best way to understand Cuban society is by making a comparison: Before 1959 and after 1959. Many scholars and journalists have written books about Cuba. However, to gain a basic understanding of the island's economic and social realities before the revolutionaries marched into Havana on January 1, 1959, I suggest consulting a World Book or Americana Encyclopedia. Information found there is succinct and always considered the truth.
Both of these reference books state that before 1959 "Foreigners controlled 75% of arable land, 90% of essential services and more than 40% of sugar production." It has been documented by scholars and non-academics alike that a significant percent of the foreigners were U.S. citizens. Experience and conventional wisdom has proven that any country dominated by foreigners is tantamount to a powder keg and there will be movements to dislodge their control.
And so it was in Cuba. The 26th of July Movement led by Fidel and Raul Castro not only believed that Cubans should be in control of their own nation, but that the quality of life should improve. We know that all contenders for political office articulate ideas about bettering conditions of life. The difference is that the Revolutionary Cuban government followed through and delivered on their promises. Unfortunately, ten U.S. presidents and, until recently, most Congresses have been unwilling to admit to the radical social transformation in Cuban society.
In 1959 Cuba had a 50% illiteracy rate. The renowned Literacy Campaign was one of the first national projects of the new government. Cubans volunteered to go into both rural and urban areas to teach people to read. In 1961, the United Nations conducted an investigation and found that the illiteracy rate had dropped to 4%. Today 98% of Cubans are literate, the highest in the Caribbean and Latin America and equal to the United States.
Another early project was the extension of universal healthcare to all Cubans. Fifty years later life expectancy is the highest in the Caribbean and Latin America and again it is on par with the United States. Cuba's infant mortality rate is 'lower' than the United States. In 1959 there were 3,000 doctors in Cuba and most practiced in Havana and the larger provincial towns. Today there are 65,000 licensed Cuban doctors, which constitutes a surplus.
Cuba has wiped out the infectious disease and epidemics that plague other developing countries. Cubans now suffer and die from the exact same diseases that afflict persons of the developed world, primarily heart disease and cancer. The World Health Organization considers Cuba a "model for the world."
Thousands of Cuban doctors work upon request in other Caribbean and Latin American nations as well as Africa, Asia and some Middle Eastern nations. Cubans set up the national healthcare system and medical school in Gambia, West Africa. They often answer the call for help during natural disasters, such as the devastating earthquake in Pakistan. The Cuban government offered to send medical teams to New Orleans and the Gulf Coast during Hurricans Katrina and Rita, but the Bush administration rejected the proposed assistance.
The United States government likes to point out the lack of consumer goods in Cuba. Shamefully, it is unwilling to admit that the 47-year old trade embargo is responsible for Cuba importing goods from Europe instead of Florida and other parts of the United States.

 

[talloola]

Talk about looking at the world through a toilet paper tube. Now you would have us believe that the 9/11 attackers were just out for a
leasurely holiday and just happened to fly planes full of people into buildings for no reason. I happen to think that U.S. foreign policy
generated the hatred that spawned 9/11.

juan, 911 was planned by bin laden and his cave dwelling thugs, NOT any government or organized legal group
at all, and not by a large number of people, he had his little plan, gathered together a few suckers who
would die for his plan, and off they went, and even he didn't realize that the buildings would actually
come down.

 

[EagleSmack]

The US was the only reason they needed a revolution in the first place. (for the least important in that Nation) Watch for the same trend to happen in Libya, same as it was in Iran from 1953-1979 and in Venezuela before Chavez was voted in.

When Cuba comes to heel... then we shall think about lifting the embargo.

 

[MHz]

When Cuba comes to heel... then we shall think about lifting the embargo.

50 some years and you are still holding your breath hoping for what the rest of the world already knows (and voted on for 20 straight years) will never happen. Clueless is the kindest term available for that magnitude of self-deception. lol

..... and even he didn't realize that the buildings would actually
come down.

You were privy to the inside planning were you? No doubt you will be getting interviewed by DHS over that bit of 'insight'.

 

[EagleSmack]

50 some years and you are still holding your breath hoping for what the rest of the world already knows (and voted on for 20 straight years) will never happen. Clueless is the kindest term available for that magnitude of self-deception. lol

50 years is so short and the clock ticketh for Castro.

To heel I say....

Soon, even Castro will feel the sting of Death...

Then U.S Citizens shall flood the island....

MUUUUUWHAHAHAHAHA

You were privy to the inside planning were you? No doubt you will be getting interviewed by DHS over that bit of 'insight'.

You actually posted this after all your tin-foil conspiracies!

 

[MHz]

Then U.S Citizens shall flood the island....

Spurred on by free universal health-care no doubt. What is the price to get an ingrown toe-nail removed these days, $10,000 or so?