Muslims face negative perception in Canada, study suggests

[Goober]

So we should be blind to our own faults while focussing exclusively on others'? You sound like a Conservative cabinet minister.

No - I am not into navel gazing - Countries holding others accountable does effect change. If we waited for Utopia in Canada nothing would change.

Witness countries in Africa that were bringing in laws that targeted Homosexuals with lengthy prison terms and the Death Penalty - Pressure from democratic countries prevented that.

Note Democratic as I am sure Iran, Saudi and a few others would be for the Death Penalty - Ops - Thats right they are - Ops again - Iran does not have Homosexuals in their country.

They either moved or were hung - No other way to take his statement.

In Iran, we don't have homosexuals - YouTube

 

[Machjo]

No - I am not into navel gazing - Countries holding others accountable does effect change. If we waited for Utopia in Canada nothing would change.

Witness countries in Africa that were bringing in laws that targeted Homosexuals with lengthy prison terms and the Death Penalty - Pressure from democratic countries prevented that.

Note Democratic as I am sure Iran, Saudi and a few others would be for the Death Penalty - Ops - Thats right they are - Ops again - Iran does not have Homosexuals in their country.

They either moved or were hung - No other way to take his statement.

In Iran, we don't have homosexuals - YouTube

It's fine to criticise other countries, as long as we are constantly looking at raising ourselves up too. you can't preach equal rights for all abroad while defending separate schools and a queen wh's not allowed to change her religion nor marry a Catholic as per our constitution!

 

[DaSleeper]

It's fine to criticise other countries, as long as we are constantly looking at raising ourselves up too. you can't preach equal rights for all abroad while defending separate schools and a queen wh's not allowed to change her religion nor marry a Catholic as per our constitution!

Hanging gays .....to separate schools?
You practicing for the long jump?????

 

[Machjo]

Hanging gays .....to separate schools?
You practicing for the long jump?????

Same principle of discrimination, except that they take it to extreme.

 

[CDNBear]

Hanging gays .....to separate schools?
You practicing for the long jump?????

No, he's just an OCD f!ck stick.

Same principle of discrimination, except that they take it to extreme.

You gotta thumbs up for that, because the screen jumped.

You certainly didn't deserve one for yet another moronic comparison.

 

[Goober]

It's fine to criticise other countries, as long as we are constantly looking at raising ourselves up too. you can't preach equal rights for all abroad while defending separate schools and a queen wh's not allowed to change her religion nor marry a Catholic as per our constitution!

If that is the worst you can come up with, then Utopia is just around the corner -

 

[DaSleeper]

No, he's just an OCD f!ck stick.

You gotta thumbs up for that, because the screen jumped.

You certainly didn't deserve one for yet another moronic comparison.

 

[Cannuck]

Same principle of discrimination, except that they take it to extreme.

Just because people like CB can't understand the concept of basic principles, doesn't mean your statement is moronic. The reality is that we are either equal before the law or we aren't. By allowing certain groups to have their own school system while denying that same right to others is clearly inequitable and, while allowed by law, is another prime example of how certain groups in our society are given special treatment. If you are for equitable treatment, you can't possibly defend this type of thing.

 

[CDNBear]

Just because people like CB can't understand the concept of basic principles, doesn't mean your statement is moronic. The reality is that we are either equal before the law or we aren't. By allowing certain groups to have their own school system while denying that same right to others is clearly inequitable and, while allowed by law, is another prime example of how certain groups in our society are given special treatment. If you are for equitable treatment, you can't possibly defend this type of thing.

Not that I defended it...

You just are that important to me

Yes, I can see that I am.

I am flattered.

 

[Goober]

Just because people like CB can't understand the concept of basic principles, doesn't mean your statement is moronic. The reality is that we are either equal before the law or we aren't. By allowing certain groups to have their own school system while denying that same right to others is clearly inequitable and, while allowed by law, is another prime example of how certain groups in our society are given special treatment. If you are for equitable treatment, you can't possibly defend this type of thing.

Those very same rights protected a minority - Catholic and Protestants - it also prevented friction as in armed conflict - read your Canadian History.

 

[Cannuck]

Those very same rights protected a minority - Catholic and Protestants - it also prevented friction as in armed conflict - read your Canadian History.

I'm well aware of what the rights did. It doesn't changed the fact that people were and are treated differently before the law. All the history does is justify it to some. For me though, I'd like to move us ahead when it comes to stuff like that.

 

[Goober]

I'm well aware of what the rights did. It doesn't changed the fact that people were and are treated differently before the law. All the history does is justify it to some. For me though, I'd like to move us ahead when it comes to stuff like that.

Education is a Provincial right - It is up to the province to change that - Not someone from another prov. That Province.

 

[Cannuck]

Education is a Provincial right.

While you may think, pointing out the ridiculously obvious helps the discussion move along, I can say with 95% certainty that it doesn't (I can't speak for everyone. There may actually be some people that read this thread that don't know this and think you are brilliant)

 

[Goober]

While you may think, pointing out the ridiculously obvious helps the discussion move along, I can say with 95% certainty that it doesn't (I can't speak for everyone. There may actually be some people that read this thread that don't know this and think you are brilliant)

No I am far from brilliant - i do know that it will take the prov to change this - Just as others have done.

Not brilliance - just reality - Did i state anywhere I agree with it - Not brilliance.

 

[Ron in Regina]

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[Machjo]

Just because people like CB can't understand the concept of basic principles, doesn't mean your statement is moronic. The reality is that we are either equal before the law or we aren't. By allowing certain groups to have their own school system while denying that same right to others is clearly inequitable and, while allowed by law, is another prime example of how certain groups in our society are given special treatment. If you are for equitable treatment, you can't possibly defend this type of thing.

(Bold, italics and underline mine)

Not just in law, but entrenched in the Constitution.

 

[CDNBear]

(Bold, italics and underline mine)

Not just in law, but entrenched in the Constitution.

You're so right Mach.

As a country, we should immediately and completely cease and desist in all human rights endeavors, around the globe.

Based solely on your point, that it is hypocritical of Canada, to speak out about gross violations, of human rights. Involving hangings, rape, beheading, and all manner of violent aggression.

Because it is wholly comparable, to subsidizing RC schools, with public money.

 

[Machjo]

Those very same rights protected a minority - Catholic and Protestants - it also prevented friction as in armed conflict - read your Canadian History.

Using the same argument, china's refusal to accept Taiwan's formal cecession (Officially Taiwan still acknowledges itself to be a part of China, but just refuses to be ruled by the Communist Party, essentially a kind of two states within one solution) is a way to appease the general mainland population. Same argument for Tibet and Xinjiang. Most chinese would not tolerate their government giving up Tibet or Xinjiang. So do you defend that in the name of "pragmatism"?

Again, same argument.

You're so right Mach.

As a country, we should immediately and completely cease and desist in all human rights endeavors, around the globe.

Based solely on your point, that it is hypocritical of Canada, to do so.

As long as we continue to defend that constitution, YES.

After all, if we don't know how to improve our own Constitution, who are we to pretend to know how to improve that of other countries? Let's think of changing our constitution as a training ground for how to approach other countries' human rights issues. If we fail to improve our own, that will be proof positive we know not what we are talking about. If we succeed, then we could take what we learn from the experience to other countries.

Education is a Provincial right - It is up to the province to change that - Not someone from another prov. That Province.

But the right to Catholic education specifically in Upper Canada (now Ontario) is in the Constitution Act, which cannot be changed by any one province. It requires approval of Parliament and at least half of the provinces representing altogether at least 50% of the population. So the federal government has a role to play here too.

 

[CDNBear]

As long as we continue to defend that constitution, YES.

After all, if we don't know how to improve our own Constitution, who are we to pretend to know how to improve that of other countries? Let's think of changing our constitution as a training ground for how to approach other countries' human rights issues. If we fail to improve our own, that will be proof positive we know not what we are talking about. If we succeed, then we could take what we learn from the experience to other countries.

My principles dictate, a greater evil must not be condoned.

But if you and Cannuck think mass murder, rape and flagrant injustice should be ignored by Canada. Simply because of an inequitable clause in the Charter.

The two of you have greater issues than OCD and myopic thinking.

 

[captain morgan]

It's fine to criticise other countries, as long as we are constantly looking at raising ourselves up too. you can't preach equal rights for all abroad while defending separate schools and a queen wh's not allowed to change her religion nor marry a Catholic as per our constitution!

Again with your hard-on for the separate school system and the Queen's religion?