The ability, yes. We could stop radical Islam in a matter of months, within our own borders. However, to do this, we would have to turn into dictatorial states ourselves. We would have to suspend many of the rights that citizens of western civilization hold dear. We would have to turn into societies as repressive as the ones we despise. We don't have the desire, determination or will to do that.
After 9-11: Can the West Defeat Radical Islam?
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The ability, yes. We could stop radical Islam in a matter of months, within our own borders. However, to do this, we would have to turn into dictatorial states ourselves. We would have to suspend many of the rights that citizens of western civilization hold dear. We would have to turn into societies as repressive as the ones we despise. We don't have the desire, determination or will to do that.
News flash, we already have taken those steps against a much larger crowd than Muslims.
This would be the most effective way of stopping Islamic Terrorism.
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Like it or not that is what is needed and no, I doubt there is a Western Country that would resort to this.
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Like it or not that is what is needed and no, I doubt there is a Western Country that would resort to this.
How about a certain Middle Eastern country? (even on one of their own cities if it meant world support for (what's left of) them)
How many 'Western Countries' even have the bomb, 3? and 2 are in Europe itself
How many 'Western Countries' even have the bomb, 3? and 2 are in Europe itself
Here's the plan. We drop a bomb on one, no wait.. two prominent cities. For the sake of argument let's say Damascus and Tehran. Then once we get their unconditional surrender we set them up in business. Maybe car manufacturing or electronics.
I have a real good feeling about this plan.
I have a real good feeling about this plan.
Which of those cities do you live in, oh wait the plan is to upset people rather than make then all yawn in unison. Might want to trim down the mustache and paint it black since yopu have 'a plan' to solve societies 'problems'.
Apparently you have a compulsion of stating just that, as long as they are Islamic centers that is. That is the part of your character I'm seeing most of and I'm not the least bit impressed.
Well impressing you is not in my contract. Something to consider when you read one of my posts is that it is devoid of tone. The written word often is, especially in text msgs and forum posts.
Even if I attach an exclamation mark to a post! The tone of the words are still not represented fairly.
Keep this in mind as you jump to conclusions.
With words like this there is no reason (or opportunity) to jump.
"I have a real good feeling about this plan."
Anyway no use taking the exchange any further.
"I have a real good feeling about this plan."
Anyway no use taking the exchange any further.
I must disagree with you on this wulfie. I don't think the need is there to turn into dictatorial states at all. All it would take is some inner fortitude and the courage to stand up for the values we believe in. That, and for once and for all making it crystal clear that we will not now or ever tolerate any encroachment upon our rights and freedoms by those wishing to come to our country.
Pictures clearly show the damage to WTC 7 from the collapse of the towers.
This started fires inside, which could not be fought due to low water pressure. She burned, without any interference whatsoever, for seven hours.
It would have been a miracle had she NOT collapsed.
The main column that buckled and gave way was visible from the outside for thirty seconds before the building gave way.
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It's not the West's job. It's the world's job to clean up all radicals whether religious, militant, financial, industrial, domestic decay,regardless of who you are.
I would say that recent events seem to indicate that radical Islam is well on the way to being defeated by other Muslims. Iran will be next. You cannot educate a population, give it the technical tools to gain access to non-government media and organize protests and not expect it to fail. The question is will it go relatively quietly as in the case of Egypt or will there have to be a mass uprising followed by considerable bloodshed as in the case of Libya and Syria? For the most part extremist Islamic elements are a small minority in almost all Muslim nations. That is why the largest number of Muslim terrorist attacks occur in Muslim nations. The only way Muslim extremists can get anyone to support their outdated views is to kill and terrorize those who disagree with them. Fortunately, such a strategy has limited success at best.
First of all we can defeat radical Islam but the real hope is we won't have to fight such a battle.
I believe we are on a collision course though, and in the end the only real solution is to have
moderate Islam stand up, gaining a backbone and saying we have had enough of you people
destroying our concept of the faith. Will that happen? In the end yes, but only after the over
all conflict has begun.
In the nineteen twenties and early thirties the Mob in Chicago had its own way. They elected
their own councils and Mayors and did pretty much as they pleased. Even the local police
were on the take. All it took was on serious incident, the St Valentines Day Massacre, and the
whole thing changed. The reason? Ordinary people, had enough and stood up to demand
change and change they got. There was a lot of blood spilled before the end came but the end
did come.
The history lesson we should also pay some attention to is the Nostradamus Quatrains. He
told of a man rising with a blue turban, and the fight would continue off and on for a generation.
It is said the west would win but at a great price. Do I believe all this stuff? No. The fact is that
the Muslims especially the radical Muslims believe it, and if we understand it we have some
knowledge as to what they are thinking. You don't have to subscribe to someone Else's beliefs
but if you are going to combat their goals and objectives, you have to understand where their
belief system comes from. The fact is Islam is a threat to the concept of democracy and personal
freedom itself. The present religious doctrine is encapsulated in a narrow minded, dictatorship
that stifles individual thought and expression. Their very vision of life is contrary to ours so we
chose to allow them to come and live amongst us. We are in fact the architects of our own
misery and still we do not learn.
Just because the world is in turmoil does not mean we can solve all the problems of mankind and
at the same time, we do not have the right to create new ones, whether is be for ourselves or
others
I believe we are on a collision course though, and in the end the only real solution is to have
moderate Islam stand up, gaining a backbone and saying we have had enough of you people
destroying our concept of the faith. Will that happen? In the end yes, but only after the over
all conflict has begun.
In the nineteen twenties and early thirties the Mob in Chicago had its own way. They elected
their own councils and Mayors and did pretty much as they pleased. Even the local police
were on the take. All it took was on serious incident, the St Valentines Day Massacre, and the
whole thing changed. The reason? Ordinary people, had enough and stood up to demand
change and change they got. There was a lot of blood spilled before the end came but the end
did come.
The history lesson we should also pay some attention to is the Nostradamus Quatrains. He
told of a man rising with a blue turban, and the fight would continue off and on for a generation.
It is said the west would win but at a great price. Do I believe all this stuff? No. The fact is that
the Muslims especially the radical Muslims believe it, and if we understand it we have some
knowledge as to what they are thinking. You don't have to subscribe to someone Else's beliefs
but if you are going to combat their goals and objectives, you have to understand where their
belief system comes from. The fact is Islam is a threat to the concept of democracy and personal
freedom itself. The present religious doctrine is encapsulated in a narrow minded, dictatorship
that stifles individual thought and expression. Their very vision of life is contrary to ours so we
chose to allow them to come and live amongst us. We are in fact the architects of our own
misery and still we do not learn.
Just because the world is in turmoil does not mean we can solve all the problems of mankind and
at the same time, we do not have the right to create new ones, whether is be for ourselves or
others
Prohibition gave the Mob a very big foothold, obviously the Gov was operating against the wishes of the majority of the population.
Most of the blood being spilled in Libya is done by NATO along with destruction of the infrastructure deemed 'public utilities', same method used in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza, targets of Nations that are Muslim but the aggressors are not.
Lets look at Iran, the terrorists are financed and armed by the West who has openly admitted they fund such operations against the elected Government of Iran. Israel is funding and supporting the movement based in Northern Iraq which has the same agenda, terrorist attacks in Iran and that is also the group claiming responsibility for the bombing of a Turkish Naval yard on the same night the flotilla was attacked by Israel.
As for Egypt lets wait and see what changes actually get made.
There was some damage to one corner yes, that would have caused a fall in the direction of the damage, the first sign of failure was the 'penthouse' falling in, all of it and it was directly above the strongest part of the whole structure. That should have been the very last part to fail.
There is quite a difference between 'out of control' and 'engulfed', where is the fires you claim were there?
Got some pic of that column as the one they claim gave way was deep within the building and several 'experts' have said it could not have failed and even if it had it would not have brought down the building. I'll spare giving you all the various links to that one point.
There were firefighters in building seven. they fought all day because the building didn't fall until it fell at 5 PM +/- and they were told to leave.
Aren't sprinklers code in NYC? Why wasn't there pressure? Until after 100 pumpers, ladders and SAR teams arrived the sprinklers would have been working just fine.
That sort of fire would have set off thousands of them from heat alone pre-soaking surrounding areas of the fires.
You must be devoid of the ability to comprehend any subtext.
Try to reread the post, and see if you can grasp the significance of the 'set them up manufacturing electronics' bit...if you try really, really hard, you might be able to actually understand it.
You answered your own question.