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Their use of white phosphorous is unequivocally, ILLEGAL

The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest the incendiary agent is being used improperly or illegally.

Learn to read. They have no evidence at the moment to suggest the legality. They've USED IT ILLEGALLY IN THE PAST and would do it again.

However, Herby said evidence is still limited because of the difficulties of gaining access to Gaza
Please show me the written law, that you are basing your opinion on.

Not someones opinion, but an actual law.
 

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Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).


They're calling for the death of all Israeli Zionist garbage that oppress and kill Palestinians.
They aren't calling for the extermination of the entire Jewish peoples.
The Day of Judgment will come only after the world has gone trough a period of 1,000 years of peace. We have a long way to go.
 

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True there is no legal torture , it's illegal when the USA and Israel commit torture. It doesn't matter though, they can commit illegal acts and get away with it, almost on a daily basis.

As far as calling Hamas genocidal, that's just sheer stupidity and lack of cognitive functioning. When you realize how many civilians Israel has killed compared to Hamas you'll recognize why it's such a dumb statement.

Human Rights Watch said its experts in the region had witnessed the use of white phosphorus. Kenneth Roth, the organisation's executive director, added: "This is a chemical compound that burns structures and burns people. It should not be used in populated areas."[32]
Amnesty International said a fact-finding team found "indisputable evidence of the widespread use of white phosphorus" in crowded civilian residential areas of Gaza City and elsewhere in the territory.[33] Donatella Rovera, the head of an Amnesty fact-finding mission to southern Israel and Gaza, said: "Israeli forces used white phosphorus and other weapons supplied by the USA to carry out serious violations of international humanitarian law, including war crimes."[34]

Why do you think Israel lied about the use of white phosphorus you moron?




Hamas only should go if the people want them to go. If the people approve of them, they're clearly helping the community and should stay. If they are not popular with the Gazans they should step down for the betterment of Gaza.
I'm unsure of how popular they are in Gaza, I do know there is a lot of propaganda about Hamas that bigot morons love to lap up as actual facts.

I'm big on democracy as well - which makes it frustrating that a party with such vile intent is actually propped up by the people of the state.

I would question if this is really the case or if they're kinda forced into submission.
 

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Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).


They're calling for the death of all Israeli Zionist garbage that oppress and kill Palestinians.
They aren't calling for the extermination of the entire Jewish peoples.

The killing of all Jews is what is written - you are just another Muslim Wacko -
 

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I don't typically weigh in on these threads because I'd rather beat my head against a brick wall, that would be a more constructive use of time. But this phrase, commonly used by far too many here, tends to really tick me off.

Learn to read.

Allow me to illustrate how to read for you.

"GENEVA — The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest the incendiary agent is being used improperly or illegally."

An investigation was undertaken and the investigative body found no conclusive or even suggestive evidence of improper or illegal use.

"The comments came after a human rights organization accused the Jewish state of using white phosphorus, which ignites when it strikes the skin and burns straight through or until it is cut off from oxygen. It can cause horrific injuries."

The accusation involves the use of white phosphorus and an explanation is provided on the effects of white phosphorus on the human body.

"The International Committee of the Red Cross urged Israel to exercise "extreme caution" in using the incendiary agent, which is used to illuminate targets at night or create a smoke screen for day attacks, said Peter Herby, the head of the organization's mines-arms unit."

The International Committee of the Red Cross is acknowledging the purpose for which white phosphorus is intended to be used and further urges extreme caution in it's use due to the extremely harmful effects this product has on people.

" "In some of the strikes in Gaza it's pretty clear that phosphorus was used," Herby told The Associated Press. "But it's not very unusual to use phosphorus to create smoke or illuminate a target. We have no evidence to suggest it's being used in any other way." "

Again, evidence of use was found but no evidence suggesting misappropriate use was found.

"In response, the Israeli military said Tuesday that it "wishes to reiterate that it uses weapons in compliance with international law, while strictly observing that they be used in accordance with the type of combat and its characteristics.""

This is a quote of an official statement regarding compliance with international law.

"Herby said that using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is legitimate under international law, and that there was no evidence the Jewish state was intentionally using phosphorus in a questionable way, such as burning down buildings or consciously putting civilians at risk"

The spokesman for the International Red Cross is confirming the legitimate use of phosphorus under international law and restating that there was no evidence that it was being used intentionally in a way that contravenes said international law.

"However, Herby said evidence is still limited because of the difficulties of gaining access to Gaza, where Palestinian health officials say more than 900 people have been killed and 4,250 wounded since Israel launched its offensive late last month. Israel says the operation aims to halt years of Palestinian rocket attacks over the border."

The spokesman for the International Red Cross is acknowledging that the investigation may not be complete due to access issues. The writer is paraphrasing what appear to be offical statements from both sides in the conflict.

"Human Rights Watch has accused Israel of firing phosphorous shells and warned of the possibilities of extreme fire and civilian injuries. The chemical is suspected in the cases of 10 burn victims who had skin peeling off their faces and bodies."

This is the accusation, restated.

"White phosphorus is not considered a chemical weapon."

This is a statement.

An accusation was made, an investigation was undertaken, no evidence was found in support of the accusation, there was acknowledgement that not all potential evidence was examined, but based on the evidence obtained the conclusion was no illegal use was found to have taken place.

That is how you read that article.

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This is how not to read an article.

They have no evidence at the moment to suggest the legality. They've USED IT ILLEGALLY IN THE PAST and would do it again.

However, Herby said evidence is still limited because of the difficulties of gaining access to Gaza

This is called supposition. The act of supposing. Something that is supposed, assumed, hypothesis.
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I now return you to your regularly scheduled bashing.
 

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I'm big on democracy as well - which makes it frustrating that a party with such vile intent is actually propped up by the people of the state.

I would question if this is really the case or if they're kinda forced into submission.


Of course Hamas will be supported, if Israel bombed your nation repeatedly and a group of people were willing to fight back you would wholeheartedly support them.

I don't typically weigh in on these threads because I'd rather beat my head against a brick wall, that would be a more constructive use of time. But this phrase, commonly used by far too many here, tends to really tick me off.



Allow me to illustrate how to read for you.

"GENEVA — The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest the incendiary agent is being used improperly or illegally."

An investigation was undertaken and the investigative body found no conclusive or even suggestive evidence of improper or illegal use.

"The comments came after a human rights organization accused the Jewish state of using white phosphorus, which ignites when it strikes the skin and burns straight through or until it is cut off from oxygen. It can cause horrific injuries."

The accusation involves the use of white phosphorus and an explanation is provided on the effects of white phosphorus on the human body.

"The International Committee of the Red Cross urged Israel to exercise "extreme caution" in using the incendiary agent, which is used to illuminate targets at night or create a smoke screen for day attacks, said Peter Herby, the head of the organization's mines-arms unit."

The International Committee of the Red Cross is acknowledging the purpose for which white phosphorus is intended to be used and further urges extreme caution in it's use due to the extremely harmful effects this product has on people.

" "In some of the strikes in Gaza it's pretty clear that phosphorus was used," Herby told The Associated Press. "But it's not very unusual to use phosphorus to create smoke or illuminate a target. We have no evidence to suggest it's being used in any other way." "

Again, evidence of use was found but no evidence suggesting misappropriate use was found.

"In response, the Israeli military said Tuesday that it "wishes to reiterate that it uses weapons in compliance with international law, while strictly observing that they be used in accordance with the type of combat and its characteristics.""

This is a quote of an official statement regarding compliance with international law.

"Herby said that using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is legitimate under international law, and that there was no evidence the Jewish state was intentionally using phosphorus in a questionable way, such as burning down buildings or consciously putting civilians at risk"

The spokesman for the International Red Cross is confirming the legitimate use of phosphorus under international law and restating that there was no evidence that it was being used intentionally in a way that contravenes said international law.

"However, Herby said evidence is still limited because of the difficulties of gaining access to Gaza, where Palestinian health officials say more than 900 people have been killed and 4,250 wounded since Israel launched its offensive late last month. Israel says the operation aims to halt years of Palestinian rocket attacks over the border."

The spokesman for the International Red Cross is acknowledging that the investigation may not be complete due to access issues. The writer is paraphrasing what appear to be offical statements from both sides in the conflict.

"Human Rights Watch has accused Israel of firing phosphorous shells and warned of the possibilities of extreme fire and civilian injuries. The chemical is suspected in the cases of 10 burn victims who had skin peeling off their faces and bodies."

This is the accusation, restated.

"White phosphorus is not considered a chemical weapon."

This is a statement.

An accusation was made, an investigation was undertaken, no evidence was found in support of the accusation, there was acknowledgement that not all potential evidence was examined, but based on the evidence obtained the conclusion was no illegal use was found to have taken place.

That is how you read that article.

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This is how not to read an article.



This is called supposition. The act of supposing. Something that is supposed, assumed, hypothesis.
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I now return you to your regularly scheduled bashing.


yeah i am assuming , i'm making assumptions based on prior events. an example is when Israel says they've not used white phosphorous during Gazan war, we later find out they've lied.
so i've come to the conclusion that they're likely illegally using white phosphorous again and the insufficient evidence from the article doesn't point to the contrary.
 

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Of course Hamas will be supported, if Israel bombed your nation repeatedly and a group of people were willing to fight back you would wholeheartedly support them.




yeah i am assuming , i'm making assumptions based on prior events. an example is when Israel says they've not used white phosphorous during Gazan war, we later find out they've lied.
so i've come to the conclusion that they're likely illegally using white phosphorous again and the insufficient evidence from the article doesn't point to the contrary.

Oh my God - Another EAO
 

Goober

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Of course Hamas will be supported, if Israel bombed your nation repeatedly and a group of people were willing to fight back you would wholeheartedly support them.




yeah i am assuming , i'm making assumptions based on prior events. an example is when Israel says they've not used white phosphorous during Gazan war, we later find out they've lied.
so i've come to the conclusion that they're likely illegally using white phosphorous again and the insufficient evidence from the article doesn't point to the contrary.

So you disliked my post - Well calling for the extermination a of people based upon religion, etnicicty etc - You have shown yourself to be a Genocidal Muslim Freak -
My Muslim friends would state the same thing - In a polite manner possibly, but myself i am blunt with Hate mongers. You are a freak. Thats it - Thats all -a freak
 

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So you disliked my post - Well calling for the extermination a of people based upon religion, etnicicty etc - You have shown yourself to be a Genocidal Muslim Freak -
My Muslim friends would state the same thing - In a polite manner possibly, but myself i am blunt with Hate mongers. You are a freak. Thats it - Thats all -a freak
1. Zionism isn't a religion nor is it ethnically based.
2 There is no such thing as a Jewish culture.
3 Zionism is a Western European idea and not "Jewish" idea.

So go ahead and argue without those three points.
 

AbtFet

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So you disliked my post - Well calling for the extermination a of people based upon religion, etnicicty etc - You have shown yourself to be a Genocidal Muslim Freak -
My Muslim friends would state the same thing - In a polite manner possibly, but myself i am blunt with Hate mongers. You are a freak. Thats it - Thats all -a freak

You're an overreacting neanderthal. No one is advocating genocide besides Pro-Israel supporters.
 

AbtFet

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The Red Cross disagrees.

So you admit that WP is legal?

WE know for a fact they've used it illegally in the past.


On March 25, 2009, USA Based Human Rights Organization Human Rights Watch published a 71 page report titled Rain of Fire, Israel’s Unlawful Use of White Phosphorus in Gaza and said that Israel's usage of the weapon was illegal.[50]
White phosphorus munitions did not kill the most civilians in Gaza – many more died from missiles, bombs, heavy artillery, tank shells, and small arms fire – but their use in densely populated neighborhoods, including downtown Gaza City, violated international humanitarian law (the laws of war), which requires taking all feasible precautions to avoid civilian harm and prohibits indiscriminate attacks. [50]
 

AbtFet

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I don't believe by international law it is illegal nor did I say it was. Just the way in which Israel uses it is.
 

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I don't believe by international law it is illegal nor did I say it was. Just the way in which Israel uses it is.


Nope, just because some human rights organization says it's illegal, doesn't mean it is. Show a court case, a criminal charge, a conviction. Or are you one of these people that believe you are guilty untill proven innocent?