2011 Canadian Football League

[talloola]

David Braley flew into Vancouver to meet with Wally after the 0-5 start.

they're going to have tea and crumpets

That's the nature of professional sports. Winning matters, and when a team can't win then someone takes responsibility. If these guys are f.king up then why are they there?

How does anyone know the future, they are brought in past performances.
of course, they have to keep digging to figure it out. If you think that firing wally, means they are
going to win the rest of their games, you are p***ing in the wind. Firing him could make it worse,
could make it improve, and everything could stay the same, thats why I say that pushing on with their
present coaches is their only hope, but if they cave in to the outside pressure from fans, they coudl do
something just to satisfy them, but that isn't my style, i'm not fan oriented at all, just think they
are a bunch of babies for the mostpart.

There is a lot of psychology going on with trying to succeed, and its not happening. Players are people,
people need to succeed to feel good, constant losing shatters that confidence, confidence needs to pick
up, its hard to get it back when you are not succeeding, a vicious circle, doesn't matter at that point
how good a player has been, hes still a human. One win will light a spark again, to help them in the
next game.
Of course there is always the shock value, threaten them, tell them they suck big time, tell them their
jobs are on the line (they allready know that), scream and holler at them, fire their coach, etc etc.
and I imagine some of that has allready happened.

Travis Lulay also has made his share of mistakes recently, so this losing streak has shook him up too,
his swagger and confidence are not what they were, and he isn't seeing the field as well as he was
when he was making all of those nice passes, that players were dropping, now they aren't catching them
because some of the throws are 'off' the mark.
Not sure if they will start another quarter back at some point, also don't think that would help, unless
of course, A.C. has come to town. lol



Maybe wally will decide to change coaching on his own, and if he does that, hope it works, but he would
probably put his co ordinater guy in his place, and I don't know how anything would change doing that.

I know wally won't cave into fan pressure.

Lots of fans would be happy with his firing, is that success?

 

[damngrumpy]

Its funny most people feel nothing will change with a firing but that is not the case at all.
I have done play by play in the junior ranks and watched this happen wondering why the
hell fire the coach, The fact is it is a break from a system that is not working, that is the
mind set. The players know tomorrow the new coach and officials in the front office will
make changes and expect different things. It clears the head space even temporarily.
I think Wally has to take sick leave if he is moving to GM other wise fire him now. God
help the Lions if he gets the top post. Wally is a bottom feeder he makes it on others
efforts to build a team and then leads that winning team to a cup and then the basement
Calgary Stamps are a prime example of how he nearly destroyed them completely.
He is little more than a bag of verbal wind, excuses and no results.

Go Riders Go

 

[Kreskin]

I hear Wally picked up a cut from Saskatchewan. That outta have the west shaking in their boots.

Problem with Wally is he sticks with the old and never rebuilds. You can't even say they are rebuilding because there is no depth at all. Brent Johnson needs geritol to play, their "best" player is Geroy and he's about to hit the pasture. He's loyal to all these losing coaches. Derasio can't figure out how to get his line to gain a yard. Chaps is the most predictable and unimaginative offensive coach the league has ever seen. Jamal Robertson is a slow, washed up lightweight who can't run through a north wind. Kelly Bates is still hanging around the O-line. The receivers have cement hands and just about everyone is prone to take a penalty you wouldn't expect a peewee to take.

Aside from that, all is pretty good.

 

[talloola]

I hear Wally picked up a cut from Saskatchewan. That outta have the west shaking in their boots.

Problem with Wally is he sticks with the old and never rebuilds. You can't even say they are rebuilding because there is no depth at all. Brent Johnson needs geritol to play, their "best" player is Geroy and he's about to hit the pasture. He's loyal to all these losing coaches. Derasio can't figure out how to get his line to gain a yard. Chaps is the most predictable and unimaginative offensive coach the league has ever seen. Jamal Robertson is a slow, washed up lightweight who can't run through a north wind. Kelly Bates is still hanging around the O-line. The receivers have cement hands and just about everyone is prone to take a penalty you wouldn't expect a peewee to take.

Aside from that, all is pretty good.

that must mean, aside from edmonton, the rest of the league is very similar, as the games were very
competetive, and either team could have won any of those games, and if the above were true, the lions
would have been blown out of every game they were in, and that didn't happen.

 

[Kreskin]

that must mean, aside from edmonton, the rest of the league is very similar, as the games were very
competetive, and either team could have won any of those games, and if the above were true, the lions
would have been blown out of every game they were in, and that didn't happen.

Moral victories at this level it mean nothing. They are the only winless team and haven't looked capable of winning any game they've played. If they lose the next they'll need to make wholesale changes, even if just for business purposes. No one wants to pay money to watch what we've seen so far.

 

[Mowich]

Moral victories at this level it mean nothing. They are the only winless team and haven't looked capable of winning any game they've played. If they lose the next they'll need to make wholesale changes, even if just for business purposes. No one wants to pay money to watch what we've seen so far.

Funny you say that, Kreskin. Sask's record so far is dismal to say the least and yet they have sold out every single game including last Sat's loss to the Stamps. Seems like some teams have supporters and other - pity them - simply have fans. The time for changing coaches is the off-season when the team has a time to adjust to the new skills of the man. One only need look at the Esks last year to see the harm done by make major changes during the season, IMHO. I think that calling for Wally's head has more to do with the fact that the Grey Cup will be played in Vancouver this year and everyone wants the team to be there - understandable but hardly a decent reason to fire Wally.

This is the CFL and anything can happen in our league - just look at the comeback of the Eastern teams this year and of course, the Esks. It ain't over till its over and I have watched this league way too long to count out the skills that Wally has brought, and I believe will bring, to his team.

 

[petros]

‪Rider Pride‬‏ - YouTube

 

[talloola]

Moral victories at this level it mean nothing. They are the only winless team and haven't looked capable of winning any game they've played. If they lose the next they'll need to make wholesale changes, even if just for business purposes. No one wants to pay money to watch what we've seen so far.

I totally disagree that they haven't looked capable of winning any game, there is a big difference between
looking completely outclassed, or competing, and being in the game.

Those expressions slay me. The fans just want changes, have no understanding of 'what' a team really is,
what makes players tick, and it seems as though fans have all of their adrenalin running at high speed,
and love it when they see reasons to 'trash' their team.

Team 1040 are a very good example, they look for all of the negatives, jump all over them, but when the
team is playing at a very high level, and they are asked why they don't mention how good they are, they
say, we're not here to be cheerers, were just here to provide information. what a joke.

Its just a business in the eyes of those who are there to 'just' make money 'off' of the team.
But some things don't change 'ever' because of money, and that is the team itself, the players, and coaches.

They play and coach their guts out the same as they did before they made a dime doing it.

And, that is what I see, I don't care about money, I care about 'what' I see, and I don't just see the
big picture in 'black and white', I see it in all of the colors.

The point of what were are talking about is: change the leadership now with absolutely no idea of what
that would accomplish, just to satisfy the rumbling and whining.

or: keep pushing on with what the lions have at the helm, with no idea of what that would accomplish.

the answer ?

 

[petros]

The point of what were are talking about is: change the leadership now with absolutely no idea of what
that would accomplish, just to satisfy the rumbling and whining.

or: keep pushing on with what the lions have at the helm, with no idea of what that would accomplish.

the answer ?

There is always methamphetamines......

 

[Kreskin]

There is nothing else to do in Saskatchewan. They could lose every game for the next 4 years and still have a big gate.

Close doesn't cut it in sports. If you have average just one short more per round than the average pro golfer you won't keep your card. If your horse runs one second slower than the winner, you make peanuts. Winners make money and keep their jobs, losers don't. It's not a made up fan thing, that's just the way it is. Anyone else in Wally's shoes would've been canned a long time ago. Pro sports doesn't keep sending you cheques for not cutting it.

 

[talloola]

There is nothing else to do in Saskatchewan. They could lose every game for the next 4 years and still have a big gate.

Close doesn't cut it in sports. If you have average just one short more per round than the average pro golfer you won't keep your card. If your horse runs one second slower than the winner, you make peanuts. Winners make money and keep their jobs, losers don't. It's not a made up fan thing, that's just the way it is. Anyone else in Wally's shoes would've been canned a long time ago. Pro sports doesn't keep sending you cheques for not cutting it.

Over the top Kreskin, big time, please don't underestimate our intelligence.

Listened to Wally being interviewed today on team 1040, they talked about quite a few aspects of the the
players, different problems the team is having, then they asked him what his response is to all of the
fans, (they had lots of calls wanting everyone fired), and he said that the problems have changed from
one game to the next, and they have to keep addressing them after each game, whether it is dropped
balls, etc etc.
And he also said that all it would be doing if people started being fired, is to further add to the
problems they allready have.
I am paraphrasing, can't remember exact words.

So then, they would still have to keep improving the play of the team, and on top of that, break in
another coach, (or whoever was fired), and have to concentrate on that too.

I totally agree with him, exactly my points above. Why add to the problem, just continue addressing
the play of the team, and keep moving forward.

All that talk about 'someone' has to pay, blah blah, is just that, and doesn't improve the team,
and that is the point right now, and do it the simplest way possible, and firing people isn't doing
it in that manner, its only reacting to negative publicity and fan depression.

All of those problems can be addressed in the off season, if they still exist.

 

[Kreskin]

At this point it can't get worse so how could a change hurt? Of course he'll say things that make himself look good. Why doesn't he have his team ready to play (in at least 4 out of the 5 games)? Tired of Wally's "well ya know.." excuses.

Over the top? That is the way it works. There are management training videos that use sports to show how the difference between winning and losing can be minute but the consequential differences substantial. It never seems fair but that's the way it is (sports and business). There isn't room for perpetual losing (or even perpetual mediocrity) in pro sports.

 

[petros]

There is nothing else to do in Saskatchewan.

Really? What do we lack Kreskin?

 

[Kreskin]

Really? What do we lack Kreskin?

From a pro sports perspective, there aren't many others competing for the Rider's dollar.

 

[petros]

Riders sell 55% of ALL CFL merchandise. Why can I buy a Rider toque anywhere in Canada from coast to coast to coast?

 

[Kreskin]

Riders sell 55% of ALL CFL merchandise. Why can I buy a Rider toque anywhere in Canada from coast to coast to coast?

Get an NHL team and see what happens.

 

[petros]

Get an NHL team and see what happens.

We'll still get drunk and go curling.

 

[Kreskin]

We'll still get drunk and go curling.

I can't curl sober let alone drunk.

 

[petros]

Start out drunk and see if you get better or worse as you sober up and go from there.

 

[talloola]

At this point it can't get worse so how could a change hurt? Of course he'll say things that make himself look good. Why doesn't he have his team ready to play (in at least 4 out of the 5 games)? Tired of Wally's "well ya know.." excuses.

Over the top? That is the way it works. There are management training videos that use sports to show how the difference between winning and losing can be minute but the consequential differences substantial. It never seems fair but that's the way it is (sports and business). There isn't room for perpetual losing (or even perpetual mediocrity) in pro sports.

nope, wally isn't going to say anything to make himself look better, not his style.

he makes very good sense, why add more complications to the players, (having to learn new play book, and
trying to adjust to new coach, or others eg. co ordinators etc.) They know all of that now, so keep
concentrating in completing plays, not dropping the ball, finishing their tackles more efficiently,
without all the extra stuff. Not enough time in a football season for all of that.

That isn't the way it works. Winning and losing isn't always the same, depends on HOW they are winning and
losing, and in this case, the losing is being done in a very basic way, and players should be able to
clean all of that up.

I just hope Lulay can hang in their, he is young, he is inexperienced, and it is becoming difficult for
him to carry this load, so I hope they win their next game, and give 'all' of them a bit of air to
breath, which will help them move forward.

I don't agree with any of that stuff you preach, thats all for the talking heads, not real on the field
decisions, and reasons why 'things' are happening, or not happening.

Even the talking heads with the money, should be able to 'think', and if they stop and think, they will know
that adding more 'stuff' to the players thought process will not help them, but hinder them.

There is only 9 games left, could take half of that to learn new methods and plays, and adjust to a
new coach, could be another four losses because of that process before they turn it around.

It will be interesting to see how long it does take, if they keep losing, before a change is made.
The pressure will mount, just hope wally has support from within to ride the storm.

If not, so be it, whatever they do, they do, its only football, not world war 3, no one is going to die,
they will all survive this, whether wally stays or goes.