Canada spending $850 million per year to settle immigrants, stop the madness

DurkaDurka

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It's a symptomatic issue.

Are you that biased that you can't look at immigration objectively?

From the DND website:

Can The Canadian Forces (CF) Reflect Canadian Society?

Based upon the data available,9 the recruitment pool for the CF traditionally has been fit young men between the ages of 17 and 24, coming from rural areas or from urban areas with a population of less than 100,000. Recruits generally have been white males with previous familial CF ties, possessing a high school education or less. Since the majority of MAs, which constitute the bulk of the Canadian population, are not the traditional recruitment bases for the CF, it is questionable whether the CF has ever been truly reflective of Canada, even if one were to leave the visible minority issue on the sidelines. Therefore, since it is unlikely that the demographics, and perhaps the values, of the CF were ever truly reflective of Canada, the suggestion that somehow visible minorities should be recruited in a manner that represents the Canadian diversity is highly contentious. It is likely that the only time the Canadian Forces ever truly ‘reflected’ Canada was when conscription was in force during the two great global conflicts of the 20th Century. Thus, within a professional and volunteer force such as the CF, it is questionable if the CF can truly ‘reflect’ Canada."
 

mentalfloss

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Hmmm, somehow, I don't think you want to understand. Must be as a result of an entitlement mindset???

Entitlement?

You're the one claiming that enlisting in the military is a mandatory requirement in order to contribute.
 

Durry

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Entitlement?

You're the one claiming that enlisting in the military is a mandatory requirement in order to contribute.

Ummmm, and just where did I say that ??

Man, you are some indoctrinated dude on immigration,,,,your way !!
 

Durry

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You're the one claiming that enlisting in the military is a mandatory requirement in order to contribute.
You must like my posts, you keep repeating them.

You still have not answered my question, where did I say "enlisting in the military is a mandatory requirement". ??

Is it that you can't read or is it that you can't comprehend??
 

mentalfloss

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You must like my posts, you keep repeating them.

You still have not answered my question, where did I say "enlisting in the military is a mandatory requirement". ??

Is it that you can't read or is it that you can't comprehend??

Some like to contribute, others expect to be looked after.

Only two percent of our military are visible minority, why??

This post implies that more visible minorities should be joining the military to 'contribute' to society.

That's the claim. If you want to argue over semantics, that's fine. But there is nothing to back up that claim.
 

Durry

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This post implies that more visible minorities should be joining the military to 'contribute' to society.

That's the claim. If you want to argue over semantics, that's fine. But there is nothing to back up that claim.

Hahaha, just as I thought, you can't read and you can't comprehend.
Cut with the lame excuses,,,eh!!
 

mentalfloss

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Looks like someone's whispering sweet nothings in your ear to try and prop you up.

Why don't you be a man and tell the rest of us who it is.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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A summary from wikipedia, but you can follow their links to government reports and studies:

>>There is no consensus on the net impact of immigration to government finances. A 1990 study found that an average immigrant household paid $22,528 in all forms of taxes and on average each household directly consumed $10,558 in government services. By contrast an average native Canadian household paid $20,259 in tax and consumed $10,102 dollars in services. Across the country this means that immigrant households contributed $2.6 billion more than their share to the public purse.[60] A 1996 study found that over a lifetime a typical immigrant family will pay some forty thousand dollars more to the treasury than they will consume in services.[61] Explanations for this include that immigrant households tend to be larger, and have more wage earners, increasing taxes. Newcomers are also less likely to make use of many social services. Immigrants are less likely than native Canadians to receive employment insurance, social assistance, and subsidized housing.[62] Immigrants are also much less likely to become homeless or suffer from mental illness.[63] Recent immigrants are also less likely to make use of subsidized housing than native Canadians of the same income level. In 2004 22.5% of low-income native Canadians lived in subsidized housing, but only 20.4% of low income recent immigrants did so, though this number was considerably higher among more established immigrants.[64] The libertarian think tank Fraser Institute has also studied this issue claims that the immigrants who arrived between 1987 and 2004 cost governments $23 billion per annum (as of 2006) in excess of taxes raised from those immigrants, relating to universal social services (e.g., welfare, medicare, public education).[13]
Economic impact of immigration to Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Immigration is a poltical football. We decide immigration is good, yet we must spend $850 million per year to settle them. That is a definite number and a very real expense. I say it's too high. Anyone got some offset numbers?

To me immigration is very simple, the post-WW 2 boom is over, so it's time to scale back immigration.
 

mentalfloss

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Immigration is a poltical football. We decide immigration is good, yet we must spend $850 million per year to settle them. That is a definite number and a very real expense. I say it's too high. Anyone got some offset numbers?

$3,400 per person really doesn't seem like a bad deal.

And that cost to taxpayers is basically $30/year.

That isn't unreasonable.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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$3,400 per person really doesn't seem like a bad deal.

And that cost to taxpayers is basically $30/year.

That isn't unreasonable.

Not all 33 million Canadians are taxpayers, so it's a bit higher, say, $40. I'd like my money back. Ohhh, $850 million, I think I give away that amount on tips, the rich guy says. A million there, a million here, pretty soon it adds up to real money.

Only one of thousands of programs govts say is good for us. You know, there are millions of people in the UK and Ireland who speak English, have useful skills, and would likely need no govt support to settle in Canada. Not to mention millions of other Europeans who speak English and could get good jobs quickly. And hundreds of thousands will come when and if Canada and Europe sign a free trade deal.

Not to mention young students from Asia and Africa who would need no govt support either. Who are these immigrants we are taking in? Why are they so helpless? The povertycrats I suppose are talking here.
 

earth_as_one

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I'm more interested in raising the bar for immigrants. We have shortages of doctors, engineers and other professionals. Immigrants entering Canada to meet these shortages should have to get their license to practice in Canada first, and then can come to Canada. Also the government should be able to determine where they live for the first 5 years.