Wouldn't it be nice if....

petros

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So really, it's not 'your' tax dollars going towards their education, it's their own rightful share directed at their own kids education.
I'm not the one complaining.I paid both full municipal taxes and full private tutions.

The greatest gift you can give to anyone is knowledge.

It beats bitching about stupid people.
 

Unforgiven

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Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could eat cupcakes regardless of whether they were in kindergarten or the military?

Reported! Forcing sugary gluten on poor gluten intolerant children is heinous! Why don't you just shove nuts in their faces and be done with it?


Smirky smiley face here.
 

karrie

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...Why don't you just shove nuts in their faces and be done with it?

 

captain morgan

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I'm not the one complaining.I paid both full municipal taxes and full private tutions.

The greatest gift you can give to anyone is knowledge.

It beats bitching about stupid people.


Good on ya!

Your sentiments ring for truer than you can possibly imagine especially as it is only a function of time (if not already) before your daughter really appreciates the asset that you have given.
 

petros

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I invested in her, the people invested in her. 6 years from now SK gets another Dr. Sounds like a good deal to me.
 

talloola

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There shouldn't have been a 'situation' in the first place. Deciding to have 100,000 drunk people watching a hockey game outdoors was a bad idea. Anyone who has ever seen the results of a win, or a loss, in Montreal would know that. Whoever decided that was a bright idea is to blame.

there were thousands of families and older people there, not just 100,000 drunks, and the thought
that the majority were responsible, and the majority were drunk is false, a very small group started
it, then others followed, and yes, those who were part of that sickening display i'm sure were
drunk or drugged, or very stupid,but they do not represent vancouver, and the price they have to pay now, will
be part of their life for a long time, eg. just try to cross the border into the u.s. in the
future, they won't be able to do that, and i'm glad, how about a job resume, oops, have a record, poor
baby, the constant knowledge that others will either know or find out about your behavior, not a good
feeling, what goes round comes round, and it will, with those idiots for a long time.

I think what they have learned quickly, next time, make sure the 100,000 people are
divided into sections of 20,000 or so, and that can be contained and controlled
much better, and next time, the city hall must supply the police with enough
policemen to organize themselves better.

I don't want to see it stopped because of a group of idiots who would love that to
happen, would give them power. 'see what we caused? wow we brought it all to an
end. forget that, learn, and move on and just do it better next time.
 

Outta here

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Schools are not fully funded. I have to pay $110 per child, every year, fundraise for playground and sports equipment, and pay out of pocket for field trips, and any 'extras', such as when the schools have in hands on learning modules such as their bridge building classes, boat making classes, etc. The costs climb as children get older, with text book fees, locker fees, and field trip fees all growing as the child does.

... and THEN.... University!!

YukonJack;1442507.... said:
My kids have been out of school for over thirty years, yet my taxes are still being confiscated for supporting schools. And as a parent I experienced what your post says you do now, but, being of an older generation I never complained about it.

I can't see why anyone wouldn't feel responsible to contribute to the education of the new generation. We've worked very hard as a global society to acquire knowledge - so that this generation can take those strides and turn them into leaps. They will do the same for their young. It's what we do. It's completely unnatural not to support the continuation of discoverythe growth of knowledge. It's an inherent obligation. How very odd to hear you describe it as confiscating.
 

captain morgan

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I can't see why anyone wouldn't feel responsible to contribute to the education of the new generation. We've worked very hard as a global society to acquire knowledge - so that this generation can take those strides and turn them into leaps. They will do the same for their young. It's what we do. It's completely unnatural not to support the continuation of discovery the growth of knowledge. It's an inherent obligation. How very odd to hear you describe it as confiscating.


I believe that there is a very fair question relative to what exactly should be completely funded by the taxpayer.... The academic component is a given, but the extent and scope of the extra circular is in question.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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I know I am coming very late to this thread, but I think it would be nice if we dropped bombs on the bake sale people. They are soooooooo annoying and I'm not happy unless I'm getting my Mong on.
 

Outta here

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I believe that there is a very fair question relative to what exactly should be completely funded by the taxpayer.... The academic component is a given, but the extent and scope of the extra circular is in question.

Interesting. So... I wonder what the childless taxpers who participated in funding YOUR children's education think about this subject. Should they have been able to withhold that portion of their taxes? Or maybe just the 'optional' components they didn't agree with? Perhaps, in the interests of not coming off as a complete hypocrite, you could dig a few of them up and offer them a refund... or at least a partial for the areas of education they deemed optional? I'm curious to know what you consider non-essential.

Oh, and I have to ask: what is extra "circular" ?

(Normally I don't resort to pointing out blatent egg on face, but in a discussion about the importance of funding education, it seems highly unreasonable to expect me to resist. You rather made my point for me with that little gem.)
 

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Interesting. So... I wonder what the childless taxpers who participated in funding YOUR children's education think about this subject. Should they have been able to withhold that portion of their taxes? Or maybe just the 'optional' components they didn't agree with? Perhaps, in the interests of not coming off as a complete hypocrite, you could dig a few of them up and offer them a refund... or at least a partial for the areas of education they deemed optional? I'm curious to know what you consider non-essential.

Everyone has to kick into the kitty whether its education, roads or gvt services. We could very easily come up with an equation that 'taxed' each family based on the number of children that were attending schools, individual usage of healthcare or tolls on roads to recognize a pay-per-use model.

As far as this debate goes, I believe that the starting point has to recognize what the base service is for the school system and develop a funding formula from there. As a number of posters have mentioned that things like organized sports (ie. after school teams), field trips or non-core areas of (specialized) study should (or shouldn't) be included in the overall funding formula.

Oh, and I have to ask: what is extra "circular" ?

Opps.. This is the result of not paying attention in one of my classes from years ago. Today I rely on spell check, but this doesn't correct for using the wrong word.

I meant to say curricular. (for the record, spell check helped me out again on this as well).

(Normally I don't resort to pointing out blatent egg on face, but in a discussion about the importance of funding education, it seems highly unreasonable to expect me to resist. You rather made my point for me with that little gem.)

I most certainly did!
 

Outta here

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Everyone has to kick into the kitty whether its education, roads or gvt services. We could very easily come up with an equation that 'taxed' each family based on the number of children that were attending schools, individual usage of healthcare or tolls on roads to recognize a pay-per-use model.

As far as this debate goes, I believe that the starting point has to recognize what the base service is for the school system and develop a funding formula from there. As a number of posters have mentioned that things like organized sports (ie. after school teams), field trips or non-core areas of (specialized) study should (or shouldn't) be included in the overall funding formula.

I couldn't disagree more. Every child has different strengths and apptitudes. Each and every one deserves to have as much emphasis placed on their best shot at success as the next. I offer for your consideration:

Ken Robinson says schools kill creativity | Video on TED.com

This clip was shown at a recent meeting of the faculty of Early Learning and Child Care program at MacEwan Universty in Edmonton as a clear and hopeful look at how we might look at education INSTEAD of taking the view that you propose.

Opps.. This is the result of not paying attention in one of my classes from years ago. Today I rely on spell check, but this doesn't correct for using the wrong word.
I meant to say curricular. (for the record, spell check helped me out again on this as well).

I apologize - your intention was clear.
 

captain morgan

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I couldn't disagree more. Every child has different strengths and apptitudes. Each and every one deserves to have as much emphasis placed on their best shot at success as the next. I offer for your consideration:

Ken Robinson says schools kill creativity | Video on TED.com

This clip was shown at a recent meeting of the faculty of Early Learning and Child Care program at MacEwan Universty in Edmonton as a clear and hopeful look at how we might look at education INSTEAD of taking the view that you propose.

I do not disagree with your contention, and for the record, I am not advocating a pay-per-service model.

My point is that the education system should have a base service or core curriculum that is standard across the board and this base should be completely funded out of the tax base. Those students that elect to broaden their experience should expect to fund it themselves in whole or in part.

There is no way that our current system could conceivably accommodate all possible strengths and aptitudes of each student considering the number of variables. At present (in AB), healthcare and education consume in excess of 70-75% of the provincial budget (I don't know the exact school figure but I understand that it is second only to HC). This is not sustainable in any way shape or form.

The economics dictate that an attempt to be all things to all people is not in the cards.

I apologize - your intention was clear.


I deserved that especially in light of the conversation.
 

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Ah, if we didn't go around blowing up other countries, the feds could send more money to the provinces for better education and health care. But it seems there are too many here that prefer blowing up other countries than improving their kids lot in life.
 

captain morgan

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But it seems there are too many here that prefer blowing up other countries than improving their kids lot in life.

Sometimes the best gift that a parent can give their child is a sense of personal responsibility, work ethic and a sincere desire to learn... Generations have been able to do it in the past with far fewer resources and a lot less money. Why is that such an impossibility today?
 

Cliffy

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Sometimes the best gift that a parent can give their child is a sense of personal responsibility, work ethic and a sincere desire to learn... Generations have been able to do it in the past with far fewer resources and a lot less money. Why is that such an impossibility today?
Because we have been socially conditioned to be mindless consumers of everything. It is not just education. It runs the whole gamete of our social and materialistic mind set. Parents seem to be afraid of their kids because they give in to every whim from electronic gadgetry to fashion. Our society seems to spoil kids out of guilt for neglecting them most of the time. I see so many people who treat their kids like they are a concept rather than people. I was at one house today where the woman seemed to view her kids as an inconvenient distraction from what she would prefer to be doing with her life. Consequently they are completely out of hand and smothered with toys and gadgets.