Is this "Mission Accomplished"?

PoliticalNick

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Ok, so now Osama Bin Laden is apparently dead. So is this another phony "mission Accomplished" announcement or is it really done? Is the USA and the western world safer today? Will this lead to a pullout of troops from Afghanistan? Will this lead to any progress towards peace in the middle east? What do you think the short & longterm results will be?
 

Unforgiven

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One less terrorist. There are more but this one is toast and those he has inspired are on notice. No one is untouchable.
 

PoliticalNick

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One less terrorist. There are more but this one is toast and those he has inspired are on notice. No one is untouchable.
I think you might want to question that statement. Is it 1 less terrorist or thousands more? I would have to logically think it is thousands more.
 

Icarus27k

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I think you might want to question that statement. Is it 1 less terrorist or thousands more? I would have to logically think it is thousands more.

I doubt killing bin Laden is going to create more terrorists. Terrorists, kind of by nature, are just people who take violent, disproportionate actions because of some slight to them. Bin Laden himself didn't like U.S. troops on holy Saudi soil, and his reaction to this was "kill Americans". Sure, he could of, I don't know, constructively started a protest newspaper, but he decided on the blowing up embassies route. There were no legitimate self-defense issues that justified this route. He just decided to take it.

Whatever future terrorists could possibly come from the act of killing bin Laden isn't because of the act of killing him. Rather, it's because they chose, with their own free will, to take that route that bin Laden took.
 

PoliticalNick

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We have bullets for them too.
You just don't get it do you?

Every time the US invades another country or kills 1 muslim the radical factions have more tools to recruit people to take up the fight. And we in the west claim to be sooo much better than these people and yet a huge number are willing to give up that standing for revenge.
 

YukonJack

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You just don't get it do you?

Every time the US invades another country or kills 1 muslim the radical factions have more tools to recruit people to take up the fight. And we in the west claim to be sooo much better than these people and yet a huge number are willing to give up that standing for revenge.

You just don't get it, do you?

You really think that appeasement would placate Islamist terrorists?

On second thought, you may be right. Appeasement sooooo placated the Nazis! And the Soviets!
 

Unforgiven

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You just don't get it do you?

Every time the US invades another country or kills 1 muslim the radical factions have more tools to recruit people to take up the fight. And we in the west claim to be sooo much better than these people and yet a huge number are willing to give up that standing for revenge.

Oh I get it alright. If the sun comes up tomorrow there will be people who want to strike at the West. In the Middle East there is oil. We want it. We'll buy it. So when someone comes along as says we'll sell it to you, we negotiate and make a deal. When they tell us that our deal is in danger because some locals or some terrorists from another country want to stop those sales, we give them the arms to protect themselves, and the product. Those are called interests. Some times they need training, sometimes special equipment sometimes just support of the equipment that we don't sell them.

Radical is radical. It doesn't need a reason. Like some drunk at the bar who wants to fight you because he doesn't like your face. There isn't a reason or logic in his process, just the want to hurt someone. It's not a game, you don't get a do over. The warnings are real, you will die if you try and interrupt that negotiated deal.

So some one tries and people die then there is the reason to try some more. More die, so there is a reason to try some more. There will never be no reason because no reason is ever needed.

If I can get from you what I want by terrorism, there will be no end to what I want from you.

By all means, negotiation is always open on our end. Anyone who wants to bargain for peace and prosperity we are more than willing to talk. But if your position is get out of my country and take my government with you so that I can be the king of my country, well that just isn't going to happen. If you have to die for your position, then those terms are acceptable to me.
 

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You just don't get it do you?

Every time the US invades another country or kills 1 muslim the radical factions have more tools to recruit people to take up the fight. And we in the west claim to be sooo much better than these people and yet a huge number are willing to give up that standing for revenge.

How hypocritical.

You're involved in two out of three and leading one of them. Is your head in the sand?
 

Durry

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I don't understand all this controversy with the Pakistanis.
The US secret service was watching OBL compound for 6 mos plus, surly they would have had listening devices etc etc.
Plus, now the US has all this computer info from his compound, you would think with all this info, they would know EXACTLY if and how the Pakistanis were involved!!

Am I missing something here??
CNN never seems to ask the right questions, maybe that's how stay in business??
 

mentalfloss

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You just don't get it, do you?

You really think that appeasement would placate Islamist terrorists?

On second thought, you may be right. Appeasement sooooo placated the Nazis! And the Soviets!

Bad example. The Nazis and Soviets posed a legitimate threat to us on a National scale.

Terrorists can only really harm us on a much smaller, regional basis. If anything we need to send in rogues or small operations to handle them - not large scale military.

Bid Laden's death seems to be exactly that kind of operation - and that's the one that got us 'mission accomplished'.
 

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I think you might want to question that statement. Is it 1 less terrorist or thousands more? I would have to logically think it is thousands more.


OBL was not a run-of-the-mill terrorist, he was one of the chief tacticians and was (personally) well financed.

The "thousand more" terrorists that may arise are mindless stormtroopers, and lets face facts, there was never any shortage of ignorant true believers that were willing to strap bombs to their chests... These drones are useless without a charismatic leader to dictate their beliefs and actions.

Every time the US invades another country or kills 1 muslim the radical factions have more tools to recruit people to take up the fight. And we in the west claim to be sooo much better than these people and yet a huge number are willing to give up that standing for revenge.

The radical factions don't need any excuses to kill... These groups are by far the biggest murders of their own kind and don't show any compassion to anyone including women that don't want to be treated as chattels or girls that simply want an education.
 

Kreskin

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What? Osama's Dead, Again?..Pack up the troops , send everyone home..War on Terrorism is over..
Those who claimed him dead for years will now have to claim him alive. How else can they make money on conspiracy theories?
 

CUBert

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Yeah and look how awesome Iraq is doing now....

biggest ****ing disaster of a country, these monkey yanks are worse than saddam was...
 

damngrumpy

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Centuries ago Nostradamus predicted there would be a major conflict between the west
and the Muslim world. He predicted it would last a generation or more and would see a
lot of casualties and destruction. Oh I know, I hear the voices shouting rubbish. You may
be right the problem is the Muslims believe it. I have spoken to a number of them over the
years. People who lived in the Middle East who will tell you vividly they believe it.
This is merely another chapter in a global struggle. There are those with the kill them all
attitude, and there are those who claim the Muslim World is not threat to us at all and its
just a political struggle based on economics.
Unfortunately it is likely all of the above, but the mixture of the content means we cannot
ignore it. If we just let the situation build without taking actions or defending the western way
of life we risk fighting a major conflict that will result in the death of millions. I think we have
to consider a different approach here. All the guns, assassinations and bombs will not produce
a peaceful or successful outcome. Our world is a different place, instead of killing people with
a million bombs, we should be working toward, ensuring there is jobs, and an economy that
can lead these people to training and education. The only way we will ever be able to
communicate with these people, is if we raise their level of education and economic job training.
People who are illiterate and spiritually influenced are people who are willing to become human
bombs. People who have hope, a future, and a better life for their families are less likely to
want to wear a bomb belt.
I am not saying we should not defend ourselves or fight to maintain freedom, but we must also
be prepared to extend the other hand to build a social society in the midst of tribal chaos. but
we have to move on to a better world.