Top Eight Reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada

[lena]

tell me your prob with my last post

 

[cdn_bc_ca]

if the Association deems the education as equivalent to the Canadian system...

And that's the problem right there... 8O

 

[Tresson]

if the Association deems the education as equivalent to the Canadian system...

And that's the problem right there... 8O

So your saying that we should let people who don't meet our standards work in this country? Then why do we have the those standards if we aren't going to follow them?

 

[peapod]

somewhat of a oxymoron eh, tresson :wink:

 

[TenPenny]

Re: RE: Top Eight Reasons NOT

Last poster ;
can you make a connection from the water woes of the Kashechewan reserve to the previous comment?

Over half of first nation watersystems are not meeting water standards fit for humans, but actually are way below the
minimum considered safe.
By Law , and there is no exception with reserves, any water-, sewersystem, band infrastructure etc are studied , consulted on, designed, tendered and contract supervised by a bunch of people the band has to hire to ensure that the payments of band contribution agreements from federal agency are received.

Who are these people who are supposed to know and be on top of things when it comes to technical expertise?

The ones supposedly protecting the general public from harm and working with concern and ethics!

Do the ones with "Canadian Experience" know that their delivered system may have to stand up to extreme weather condition and also be operated with and by less than perfect peoples?

Do they know the shortcomings of the situations, which promotes to have systems fall apart in no time after commissioning and raise sufficient stink to draw attention?

Do they give a hoot?

Are they really qualified; I mean really qualified ?

Not just adorned with an iron ring and a registration number, but with a record of what is produced will benefit and prevent harm to peoples? not just for the time until the billing/fee cheques cleared!

Another question is, are these people in any way qualified to judge foreign trained engineers produced by technically advanced countries like Germany ,India, China and yes most others too?

The power of professional associations in this nation can only be compared with a kid who got the key to the candy store and only allows his friends and himself to ransack the place; greedily keeping everyone else out; ............not a pretty picture.
Of course they keep "strangers" out; is much to lucrative and who likes to have someone look over their shoulder and call the bluff?

Look ,if Prof.Engineering would be up to snuff we would design, produce the goodies needed and bought by Canadians right here, not ship everything from abroad.
Canada has it all, to do it, including peoples who want to participate.
Off course all the first nation youngsters would be encouraged to learn something and could be part of workforce and not adding to another group of excluded and oppressed.

Interesting to note that in Rex Murphys "Country Checkup" of last sunday :not even a mentioning about the substandard performance of professional participants!
Keep a low profile and cash the cheque........ good performance P.Eng.... ok there are some good apples also!
nelk

You really have to be insane. You're suddenly claiming that first nations water woes are the result of Professional Engineers????

I didn't know that it was the engineers that set the budgets and approved the line item expenses for each reserve. All the design and engineering in the world doesn't help if the politicians won't spend the money.

Stop being an idiot.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Top Eight Reasons NOT

The band asked for $18 million for a water purification project. They were given $4 million and told to make due. The Conservatives are currently running a smear campaign against the chief, the band, the teacher who got a hold of the media, the provincial Liberals, and the federal Liberals.

Most of that smear campaign has nothing to do with the water issue, but it does show the mean-spiritedness and thinly-veiled racism of the Conservative party.

 

[sj007]

whell the consevative have beacome the party represebnting the west now in stead of a pan canadian party

 

[nelk]

RE: Top Eight Reasons NOT

Ten penny,
did you ever work for any of the first nations. Do you know how engineering affects and matters to situations like the one mentioned in this thread. Did you ever work with engineering consultants in an indian reserve setting.
So before letting yourself go with uncalled for niceties think.
For me ,all questions above are affirmative. Been there, done it!

 

[MMMike]

Who are these people who are supposed to know and be on top of things when it comes to technical expertise?

The ones supposedly protecting the general public from harm and working with concern and ethics!

Do the ones with "Canadian Experience" know that their delivered system may have to stand up to extreme weather condition and also be operated with and by less than perfect peoples?

We're talking about a sophisticated, highly technical water treatment plant - they cannot be designed to operate by themselves. The problem is not with the design, it is with the lack of accountability and responsibility for the operation and maintenance.

Another question is, are these people in any way qualified to judge foreign trained engineers produced by technically advanced countries like Germany ,India, China and yes most others too?

Uh, by definition, yes of course they are qualified to judge foreign trained engineers.

Look ,if Prof.Engineering would be up to snuff we would design, produce the goodies needed and bought by Canadians right here, not ship everything from abroad.
Canada has it all, to do it, including peoples who want to participate.

:roll: Is playtime over yet? What an ignorant comment. The reason everything we consume is not 'made in Canada' has nothing to do with lack of technical expertise, but everything to do with economic reality. We live in a global economy.

 

[nelk]

RE: Top Eight Reasons NOT

W-five show on CTV triggers website hits to go through the roof. Over 30 000 hits on this famous site www.notcanada.com within the last three days.
Avalanche of letters too, beats most of these lame two liners in here.

 

[peapod]

ahhhhhhhhhhh...sweet...more ilk from nelk :?

 

[TenPenny]

Re: RE: Top Eight Reasons NOT

Ten penny,
did you ever work for any of the first nations. Do you know how engineering affects and matters to situations like the one mentioned in this thread. Did you ever work with engineering consultants in an indian reserve setting.
So before letting yourself go with uncalled for niceties think.
For me ,all questions above are affirmative. Been there, done it!

I'm glad that you understand that engineers are responsible for all budget decisions, and that you are a highly qualified consulting engineer. Maybe that explains your total lack of knowledge about how the qualifications for immigrating engineers are determined, since that's where this started. And to answer your questions, yes, yes, yes and yes; and incidentallly, the situation is just as bad for NON first nations communities. Any project involving municipalities is hopelessly mired in stupid rules due to politics. I'm involved in it every week.

Maybe before you wander off topic, you could go back to the point I was making, which was that the comments about immigrants and professional qualifications show a lack of knowledge of how things are done.

But I forgot: on the net, ignorance is king. Long live stupid, ill informed opinions!!!

 

[cdn_bc_ca]

if the Association deems the education as equivalent to the Canadian system...

And that's the problem right there... 8O

So your saying that we should let people who don't meet our standards work in this country? Then why do we have the those standards if we aren't going to follow them?

No. The problem is how the Association determines what is equivilent and what is not.

 

[the caracal kid]

there are real reasons not to emmigrate to canada. w5 just did a story on some of these issues.

Canada is so diverse and spread out it is rather hard to make up a realistic short list of reasons not to live in Canada though. The 'magic' of Canada is this diversity in just about everything. The tradeoff being that Canada lacks a strong central 'image' of what it is. There are other places that have a more narrowly defined 'persona'. To each his/her own. Diversity is what makes the planet wonderful. I will agree though that 'culture' is lacking in a great deal of the country, because to me 'beer and hockey' are not culture.

 

[peapod]

Oh blah! every canuck knows that beer comes from culture, yeast culture, in fact here is a link to the national collection of yeast cultures, cool pics there.

http://www.ncyc.co.uk/

 

[Lotuslander]

Canada is a great place and I enjoy living in beautiful British Columbia! Vancouver though leaves much to be desired. Don't think me crass, I'm a lifelong Vancouverite but, it has rained 28 out of 30 days so far in January and before that we were on a track to break the record of 28 straight days of rain. Enough is enough! Today it was sunny, thank God, but I need more vitiamnin E than just seeing the Sun once a month. Sure it is warm, mild and wet, you can play golf almost anytime but righ now I gladly take the bitter cold of Upper Canada or Nova Scotia than the constant drizzle of Lotus Land if only I saw the Sun.

Seriously though, i went outside today and the sun hurt my eyes!

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: Top Eight Reasons NOT to immigrate to Canada

there are real reasons not to emmigrate to canada. w5 just did a story on some of these issues.

Canada is so diverse and spread out it is rather hard to make up a realistic short list of reasons not to live in Canada though. The 'magic' of Canada is this diversity in just about everything. The tradeoff being that Canada lacks a strong central 'image' of what it is. There are other places that have a more narrowly defined 'persona'. To each his/her own. Diversity is what makes the planet wonderful. I will agree though that 'culture' is lacking in a great deal of the country, because to me 'beer and hockey' are not culture.

Really Caracal, that's a bit ignorant. Hockey culture is a large part of many peoples Canadian identity. Just because you don't see it as such doesn't mean it isn't true. And one would agree that Wine constitutes a large part of French culture, oui? So why wouldn't Beer be a legitimate part of Canadian culture.

Of course, elitism and Snobbery is a huge part of Canadian culture as well, so I'll have to let you off with this. :wink:

 

[petros]

Don't worry. Soon Chinese orpahans will be adopting Hollywood lesbians and all will be equal in the land of Oz.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Despite the prominent Scandinavian, Slavic and German descent in Canada - I can't find a decent plate of Swedish meatballs, Kubasa or Bratwurst; let alone beer, in any Canadian city and yet just about every Canadian city (sometimes even small towns) will have at least a dozen Chinese / Korean / Japanese restaurants.

Urban culture... it's hard to develop one when everyone is working 40+ hours a week. Most of our urban traditions and cultures often date back to the 1870s - 1920s when we were all farmers and we had a load of time on our hands to organize events.

Huh....that's a shame. I worked 242 hours last month, and still manage to have a life.
I'll be meeting family later today in the Serbian Club in Regina. No culture there though,
I guess. Good food & booze and company though, and only a few blocks from my home.

Also, only a few blocks from my home is a Co-op (a Ukrainian Co-op) Ukrainian Co-op
with absolutely fantastic Bratwurst and Kubasa, made on site, and smoked (the Kubasa and
smoked sausages) in a smokehouse right behind the store. Fantastic!!!! This is also only a
few blocks from my home.

Also only a few blocks from my home is a terriffic Sushi resteraunt, right across from a
Japanese Steak House. Cheerios, maybe you just live in the wrong place.....as everything
I've listed above is within a two block radius of my house.

If I expanded that to a three block radius, I could include a pizza joint, and an ethnic Belizian
Resteraunt, and I believe Thia Food joint across the street from that, and a Breakfast place.

I guess it helps that I live in the cultural Mecca of Regina, Saskatchewan though....

 

[Mowich]

Whenever someone asks me in China to help them fill outa form for a Canadian Visa or Immigration related document, I tell them to stay in China.

Well educated Chinese people still believe Canada is a land of opportunity, where all people are treated equally. I quickly disabuse them of those notions.

I point out, despite what propaganda is promulgated about Canada by the Government, the country is a cesspool for most working people, especially new immigrants.

The questions I ask potential immigrants to Canada usually stops them in their tracks: "Why would you leave your privleged position (engineer, economist, lawyer, businessman, whatever) in China where the economy is booming to go to a country where the economy is stagnant, you will be on the bottom rung doing crappy jobs working longer and harder to not even come close to achieving the middle-class lifestyle you currently have here? Are you ready for the daily racism of those polite Canadians who deny posessing any animosity towards any ethnic group, but in reality when they are at home curse all those Chinese and other foreign parasite for destroying the country?

Holy Smoke..... sure sounds like someone who knows all about spouting the party line - the communist party line that is.

Why would someone want to come to a country where they have the right to speak their mind, to chose where they wish to work and live, and where they will have the same chance as everyone else here to live in freedom.

Daily racism eh! Would truly like to know who is doing all this cursing of Chinese people and where did you get the idea that anyone here thinks they are destroying our country?????