Do The Conservatives Deserve Another Chance?

[CDNBear]

Imo, anyone that thinks that the F-35 is a better buy for Canada then, say, the F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet just does not understand Canada's situation.

Ya to bad they don't make them anymore. Boeing is planning on making some new block III variants, but that's in the future.

We live in the present.

Well some of us anyways.

I think the answer is ZIP.

How many are outdated and expensive to retro, all. And I don't think that, that is a fact.

And how many of those have been shot down?

And how well equipped is Ka-daffy ducks air defense system? Oh wait, he doesn't have one anymore...:roll:

ZIP again.

Quite.

 

[Unforgiven]

Oh ya, Harper is Darth Vader, Hitler and the boogieman all in one, I forgot.

OMG he's drank the Liberal koolaid!

 

[CDNBear]

OMG he's drank the Liberal koolaid!

Reverend Jones!? Is that you?

 

[Unforgiven]

Reverend Jones!? Is that you?

No man it's your buddy Unf! Smack smack come out of it man! smack smack... heh heh smack

 

[McRocket]

Ya to bad they don't make them anymore.

Boeing is building Super Hornet's for Australia as we speak.

http://www.australia.to/2010/index....r-hornet&catid=101:australian-news&Itemid=167

 

[CDNBear]

Uh, I don't know where you get your information, but that is wrong.

from Nov. 5, 2010.

'"To our knowledge, Canadian officials have not received the full complement of Super Hornet performance data from the U.S. navy, including those about the new Super Hornet's stealth characteristics," Boeing vice-president Kory Mathews told the committee. Boeing makes the Super Hornet.'

Aviation companies decry F-35 purchase - Canada - CBC News


AND

...'Boeing plans to offer the F/A-18E/F for Canada's requirement to replace its ageing CF-18 fleet later this decade. Canada has invested $150 million to participate in the F-35 development programme, but plans to stage a competition for the procurement contract.
Meanwhile, Boeing is also offering the Super Hornet to buyers in Brazil, Denmark, India, Japan and Kuwait.'...

Boeing to offer F-35-like cockpit display for Super Hornet


Blocks are just upgrades. They are not massive changes to the aircraft - they happen all the time through the production life cycle of a combat aircraft.
Last I heard, for example, the F-16 was up to Block 60.

You're right, my bad. I asked the wrong person, my eldest son and the closest thing I know to an expert on the matter, who now also concedes to you, lol.

And I'll be honest, after reading your links and a couple others, my position is now changed. We should have gone with the Super Hornet. An aircraft that has a proven track record, has a multi platform air frame, is quite cheaper, and is supported by the Canadian aerospace industry.

My apologies.

How's that for proving your new found friend Cannuck wrong, lol.

 

[Omicron]

Hmm... I notice CDNBear - the first and probably still the last person in 25 years of internet foruming (now called blogging) I ever blocked - because my Achilles Heal is I can't resist attacking people who stuff their head with a prejudice and then look for evidence to support it instead of looking at the facts and then forming an opinion, such that it would lead to flame wars as he'd go round the mulberry bush of irrationality, leading to me always be getting lectured by the forum moderator... who eventually counseled me to just ignore him.

Does he still use that trick of rolling around like a marble-head on nitrous in order to divert people's attention when you say something he can't refute?

What he hopes to achieve is for others to think if it's that funny, it must not be worthy of consideration. I learned that trick from the lawyer-brother of a Jewess from Montreal I used to date.

Try it yourself sometime. If someone you're opposed to is making a valid point, just fake hysterical laughter without once saying anything to rebute it, and just watch how many people get fooled into thinking your laughter alone has discredited the person's argument.

I know could unblock him just for a minute to check, but I also know I probably wouldn't be able to resist thinking a rational response could be extracted, even though as a lawyer his ethos was to not care who's side he was arguing, implying that in his mind there is no such thing as right and wrong... only survival, therefore who pays the most... and next thing you know Ron will be lecturing me to leave the loons alone.

Is he still pushing for Canada to buy arms useless to itself but useful to others as part of a mighty international coalition to wrap around China for a new cold war?

 

[McRocket]

You're right, my bad. I asked the wrong person, my eldest son and the closest thing I know to an expert on the matter, who now also concedes to you, lol.

And I'll be honest, after reading your links and a couple others, my position is now changed. We should have gone with the Super Hornet. An aircraft that has a proven track record, has a multi platform air frame, is quite cheaper, and is supported by the Canadian aerospace industry.

My apologies.

How's that for proving your new found friend Cannuck wrong, lol.

Fair enough.

If more people on chat forums had open minds like you (and hopefully me) then they would be more pleasant places to post - imo.

Cheers.

 

[CDNBear]

Hmm... I notice CDNBear - the first and probably still the last person in 25 years of internet foruming (now called blogging) I ever blocked - because my Achilles Heal is I can't resist attacking people who stuff their head with a prejudice and then look for evidence to support it instead of looking at the facts and then forming an opinion, such that it would lead to flame wars as he'd go round the mulberry bush of irrationality, leading to me always be getting lectured by the forum moderator... who eventually counseled me to just ignore him.

Ya, I just conceded to some facts, something you and far to many others here, just haven't got the maturity or fortitude to do.

Does he still use that trick of rolling around like a marble-head on nitrous in order to divert people's attention when you say something he can't refute?

No I concede when I can't refute it. People who compare politicians to Darth Vader, Hitler and so on, get the ROTF smilie, you received on so many occasions.

What he hopes to achieve is for others to think if it's that funny, it must not be worthy of consideration. I learned that trick from the lawyer-brother of a Jewess from Montreal I used to date.

Back to those wretched Montreal Joo shots eh.

Try it yourself sometime. If someone you're opposed to is making a valid point, just fake hysterical laughter without once saying anything to rebute it, and just watch how many people get fooled into thinking your laughter alone has discredited the person's argument.

Like I said, I save them for people that haven't the ability top concede to fact. Which is why you got so many.

I know could unblock him just for a minute to check, but I also know I probably wouldn't be able to resist thinking a rational response could be extracted, even though as a lawyer his ethos was to not care who's side he was arguing, implying that in his mind there is no such thing as right and wrong... only survival, therefore who pays the most... and next thing you know Ron will be lecturing me to leave the loons alone.

Or you could be reminded that bleating on about having blocked someone, is now considered trolling.

Is he still pushing for Canada to buy arms useless to itself but useful to others as part of a mighty international coalition to wrap around China for a new cold war?

I'd love for you to prove I ever said that.

I know you won't and you'll hide behind the iggy button like the irrational ideologue you are, so it was a rhetorical request.

But I would love to thank you for showing us all how much power I have over you, thank you.

 

[mentalfloss]

Hmm... I notice CDNBear - the first and probably still the last person in 25 years of internet foruming (now called blogging) I ever blocked - because my Achilles Heal is I can't resist attacking people who stuff their head with a prejudice and then look for evidence to support it instead of looking at the facts and then forming an opinion, such that it would lead to flame wars as he'd go round the mulberry bush of irrationality, leading to me always be getting lectured by the forum moderator... who eventually counseled me to just ignore him.

Does he still use that trick of rolling around like a marble-head on nitrous in order to divert people's attention when you say something he can't refute?

What he hopes to achieve is for others to think if it's that funny, it must not be worthy of consideration. I learned that trick from the lawyer-brother of a Jewess from Montreal I used to date.

Try it yourself sometime. If someone you're opposed to is making a valid point, just fake hysterical laughter without once saying anything to rebute it, and just watch how many people get fooled into thinking your laughter alone has discredited the person's argument.

Heh.. if that's the strategy, then there's a few others in here that you might also want to block.

He's pretty good at the multi-quote reply. Just overwhelm the other party with so many inflammatory responses, you don't feel like responding.

See exhibit A above and exhibit B below.

 

[CDNBear]

Fair enough.

If more people on chat forums had open minds like you (and hopefully me) then they would be more pleasant places to post - imo.

Cheers.

Thank you.

I hope you understand now, that what people like Cannuck, and Omicron here, have to say, should be taken with a train load of salt.

I may think something you believe is nutty, but that has no bearing on you as a person. You are McRocket here and nothing more or less. I may think something you say is wrong, and visa versa, if you prove me wrong, I will always concede, and appreciate you the more for it.

I always deal in facts, you'll quickly learn that those that harp on about me, don't. Which is why I treat them the way I do. With contempt and ridicule.

Heh.. if that's the strategy, then there's a few others in here that you might also want to block.

Nah, they have similar ideologies, so he thinks they're just great!

He's pretty good at the multi-quote reply. Just overwhelm the other party with so many inflammatory responses, you don't feel like responding. :wink:

I reserve inflammatory replies for proven ideologues, trolls, and the otherwise mentally or cognitively challenged.

But being as objective as I am. If someone posts something intelligent, no matter what my overt stance may be to their overall position, I give out thumbs up for a job well done. I even treat well thought out posts with respect when I'm faced with them.

 

[JLM]

Absolutely - you can quite often get young kids stealing lollipops on the right track with a little psychology, but for these drug king pins who go carving up people with machetes, you need to spend a $couple billion on concrete bunkers and have a project for them like a cubic mile of rock to break.

 

[Omicron]

Hmm... I was listening to Iggy's offer to up Canada's spending on education by a billion dollars, which is a good idea, because having more education always pays off one way or the other, but I couldn't help feeling that he was being awfully cavalier about the offer, given that we're not really out of the recession, and it's going to take five years to get back to black.

But then it occurred to me...

Harper's crew think they can afford to spend $10 billion on new prisons even thought the crime rate is dropping, and $36 billion on jets we don't really need, yet still be back in black within five years, in spite of cutting corporate taxes to rates below what even the corporations were asking for, so there must be something they know over the horizon to think the $46 billion for prisons and jets won't be a problem.

Imagine what kind of perking a party can spread around if they *don't* commit to new prisons and jets.

By not committing to prisons and jets, it means Iggy and Jack et al have $46 billion more to promise than Harper, who's already committed, and they can feel confident about being able to afford it, because Harper himself is confident that Canada can afford the $46 billion and still be out of a recession in five years even with unnecessarily low corporate taxes.

So... Iggy promised one billion more for education. That means he's still got $45 billion to go.

What's happening in your neck of the woods where even a small part of that $46 billion would solve problems?

I know some teachers who will definitely appreciate a reduction in class sizes... so Iggy was speaking their language with his offer to up education... and I have some friends on a Gulf Island who aren't happy with the condition of the government wharf they use... and personally I'd like it if transit rates could be held down...

Hmm...

 

[El Barto]

I am no fan on how the Conservatives gov, delt with the new fighter contract ....the backdoor dealings , bang the deals done , the cost , the real cost ....and so on. But now I hear that the Liberals are going to scrap that if they get hold of power??? .....Ummm no you're not!
You will renegotiate or do anything but scrap something that will cost us anyway. Remember the damn Comeran helicopter deal ffs.

Anyone for a revolution ? God damn politicians

 

[Omicron]

I am no fan on how the Conservatives gov, delt with the new fighter contract ....the backdoor dealings , bang the deals done , the cost , the real cost ....and so on. But now I hear that the Liberals are going to scrap that if they get hold of power??? .....Ummm no you're not!
You will renegotiate or do anything but scrap something that will cost us anyway. Remember the damn Comeran helicopter deal ffs.

Anyone for a revolution ? God damn politicians

They didn't say they wouldn't look for new hardware.

Everyone knows it's time for an upgrade. Just not all eggs into one basket of that many of that particular model of jet chosen unilaterally without tender.

They said they'd scrap that deal and go back to look at what the country really needs, and then put it through a normal tendered bidding process.

 

[El Barto]

They didn't say they wouldn't look for new hardware.

Everyone knows it's time for an upgrade. Just not all eggs into one basket of that many of that particular model of jet chosen unilaterally without tender.

They said they'd scrap that deal and go back to look at what the country really needs, and then put it through a normal tendered bidding process.

Last time the Liberals scrapped a deal it costs us dearly to do so. I'd be calculating everywhich way unless the can cut the deal without losing any money.....which I doubt.

 

[PoliticalNick]

I thought we had this discussion a while back.

There are a few other less expensive planes out there if we must buy something, which I don't think we need to. I mean who's going to attack us? The US (well maybe when they realize we got tons-o-oil) the french (they would surrender and retreat), the British (why would the queeen attack her own land), the germans (not unless hitler has come back), Japan or China (they don't need to attack, we let them in en-mass), Russia (why give up 1 frost-bitten country for another 1). That takes care of all the ones that have the power to actually attack Canada, so why are we buying new defense aircraft? Or are we buying offense aircraft?

Last time the Liberals scrapped a deal it costs us dearly to do so. I'd be calculating everywhich way unless the can cut the deal without losing any money.....which I doubt.

It's quite easy...No thank you, goodbye!

 

[Omicron]

Last time the Liberals scrapped a deal it costs us dearly to do so. I'd be calculating everywhich way unless the can cut the deal without losing any money.....which I doubt.

What deal was that?

Has anything actually been signed for the F-35s?

I thought we had this discussion a while back.

There are a few other less expensive planes out there if we must buy something, which I don't think we need to. I mean who's going to attack us? The US (well maybe when they realize we got tons-o-oil) the french (they would surrender and retreat), the British (why would the queeen attack her own land), the germans (not unless hitler has come back), Japan or China (they don't need to attack, we let them in en-mass), Russia (why give up 1 frost-bitten country for another 1). That takes care of all the ones that have the power to actually attack Canada, so why are we buying new defense aircraft? Or are we buying offense aircraft?


It's quite easy...No thank you, goodbye!

Exactly.

 

[Cannuck]

Medicine Hat mayor to run for Liberals - Calgary - CBC News

Looks like I'm voting Liberal for the first time in my life. I'll have come home and have a shower after I vote.

 

[JLM]

Medicine Hat mayor to run for Liberals - Calgary - CBC News

Looks like I'm voting Liberal for the first time in my life. I'll have come home and have a shower after I vote.

What do you figure Iggy would do for us, besides run up more debt? :smile: