Do The Conservatives Deserve Another Chance?
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Last time I used a similar quote in different circumstances, the posters here branded me as an ugly American!
The market is the last thing I want sorting out my health care.
Well, sorry someone was so insensitive. Have you tried working out a little more and maybe changing your hair style?
It had to be built? Would we all have died if it wasn't? No, it was built entirely for the profit of some rich oil & gas companies in America and the continued oppression of the people in the region by the military on behlaf of those companies is to their benefit. I guess you think martial law is the best system for making lives better.
Quite correct, those that do will do and those that don't won't, but since this is a huge revenue generator for the CIA its much better if production is up. So much for the war on drugs, more like the war for drugs.
We are a reasonable SOVEREIGN nation and do not need to submit to anybody else's wishes. If you want to negotiate with us the negotiate. We don't need to spend billions every year to be a member of a farcical, powerless organization who plainly claims the ideal of removal of all sovereign nations.
The market dictates health care in the US and you can get the best most modern care there.
If you can afford it. if not you can die on the steps of the hospital and they will charge your family for the clean-up.
Yes someone had to build it so it's us and we get to use the money and the profits, some of which can go to helping the area develop and give people a change to make a life outside of war. Prosperity builds peace too.
The CIA needs a revenue generator like the mint needs spare change. The war on drugs is just a money making scam. There is no doubt about that. But how to stop it, there is a question for you.
Well yes and no. We are a cooperative nation and through cooperation we find advantages that would not exist without them. Sadly some take advantage of that which is our misfortune. I agree we need to examine our priorities and this is what an election is all about. Make them issues rather than allowing politicians to dictate what the issues are.
You mean some of you can. ;-)
Hmm... well... CIA or not, something between 80-90% of the heroin from Afghanistan is ending up in Russia. Russia's the kind of place where people are happier when anesthetized from pain.
North America, on the other hand, is more vulnerable to crack, cocaine and crystal, what with all the hype.
Japan's drug of choice is Dexedrine... if you know Japanese, somehow that makes sense...
etc.
Not my problem, if you can't pay work harder.
Yeah, I can pay for me and my family.
Is their anyone else?
The idea for a pipeline to move Caspian basin oil was proposed, and is still being seriously considered, but construction hasn't begun because things are still too unstable.
Unless you're thinking of some other trans-Afghani pipeline I'm unaware of.
Well, people could do what Portugal has done.
Portugal is the poorest country in the EU, and they were looking for ways to cut costs.
They noticed that drug-enforcement was a huge part of their policing budget, so they quietly decriminalized most addictive substances, and set up safe-sites for addicts to show up and get their daily fix of whatever it was they're addicted to, the only exception being booze and tobacco. In Portugal, people still have to pay for their own booze and tobacco.
It's saved them a tonne of money, and reported incidents of robbery (evidently for drug money) have gone way down.
But Portugal was a relatively small market. If someone as large as the US were to try that, the drug lords might get seriously pissed off and start assassinating any politician daring to suggest such a thing.
However, it might be possible for Canada to implement such a program, hiding as it can within the shadow of the USA when it wants to.
It would be a case where Canada having a relatively small market compared to Uncle Sam would be an advantage.
You miss the point, no was going to die without this pipeline but many have died so it could be built.
As for prosperity in the region, the locals have no gain from this, it was not built by locals (except for some slave labor), the pipeline goes through their country to a foriegn controlled port and the oil is shipped off, it does not go to refinery that employs locals. We have bombed them and destroyed their limited infrastructure and killed them for profit, there is no prosperity or peace in this.
Sure, but are they gonna turn down some extra cash if its available....
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The war on drugs is just a money making scam. There is no doubt about that. But how to stop it, there is a question for you.
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Good question. Have to have a think on that.
For some things.
What the US leads in is emergency trauma care, what with all the stabbings and shootings, and with an aging baby-boom population, they'll become leaders in geriatrics.
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Wow....do you have any idea how offensive these remarks are? What about the elderly or infirm, those that cannot work due to injury or other reasons, people who have to work 2 jobs for minimum wage just to eat, should they go to 3 jobs, work 24 hour days.
If you do not wan't anything to do with a society of consience maybe you and you family should just leave our society completely and find an uninhabited island somewhere to be by yourselves with no one else to worry about.
I have a strong urge to say some very nasty things to you and about you but will refrain and suggest you go get the help you obviously require at everyone else's expense, or possibly volunteer to opt out of the medical plan and pay your entire bill from your pocket everytime you go to a doctor, cna't wait for you to get the bill for an emergency room visit or a surgical procedure..
That's an old wives' tale, like the notion that if you build a better mouse-trap the world will beat a path to your door.
I used to think all those platitudes until I went into business for myself and discovered that the marketplace has the IQ of a plenaria.
You know plenaria... those worm-like things that can be trained to move in different directions with strobing lights if they can be conditioned to think there's food where lights strobe.
It was really depressing to learn the hard way that it didn't matter what there was to offer, and that ultimately it was going to be up to marketing and sales-guys, and how well they could strobe the mind of the client.
The free-market does *not* work when people don't understand what they are buying.
They might be able to pick a good tomato, although even that's being subverted by Monsanto's genetic moding of tomatoes that travel well and look nice but have no taste nor nutrients, but most people do *not* have the knowledge to know how to buy a good computer or pick good software, leaving them utterly vulnerable to the strobe-lighting of sales and marketing. You should see what kind of technology actually exists in the skunk works versus what's being flogged in the market-place.
In any case, all was not lost when it was finally learned that there does exist a market for stuff that really works, namely DND. They do their due-diligence because it really does matter to them in a mortally vital way for stuff to work as advertized.
So let's imagine privatizing the forces, such that soldiers get their job-description changed to mercenary, and generals report to shareholders instead of government.
Do you really want to pay your tax-dollars to a private defense force when it is in their shareholders' interest to have the soldiers - I mean mercenaries - equipped as cheaply as possible?
For that matter, if you're a fighter, do you really want to sign up and become a soldier - I mean sign an all-rights-surrendered waiver to become a mercenary - for an organization ultimately ruled by shareholders who get higher profits when they equip you with cheaper weapons and gear?
Well, in case you're curious why Canada sent jets to Libya...
It used to be that the UN mandate was to prevent big wars between nations, but the UN was strictly forbidden from meddling in the internal affairs of sovereign states. If leadership of a nation wanted to kill it's own people, that was declared to be none of the UN's business.
Then a Canadian general watched a genocidal massacre in Rwanda. He begged for authorization to intervene, but was blocked by the politicians because Ottawa would not intervene unilaterally and would only participate if it was a UN operation, but the UN charter didn't allow for meddling in Rwanda because it was classified as an internal affair.
So Canadian Loyd Axworthy started lobbying, and over a long process managed to get the UN charter changed to allow the UN to meddle in internal affairs should a government start slaughtering its own people.
That change to the UN mandate is what gave the UN license to attack Gaddafi's forces in order to stop him from killing his own people.
Because it was Canada to spear-head the change to the UN charter enabling the attack on Gaddafi, you better believe Canada had to be there if that charter-change was going to actually be used.
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Avro's (and others) silly rants against the unions would only make sense if we actually lived in a free market society. We don't
There is nothing stopping Avro from doing just that. He can pay for private insurance and head to the states when he gets sick. Makes perfect sense since he feels you can get the "best modern care" there.
Thats nice, I already know the history.
The UN is nothing but a tool of the Fortune 100 and their New World Order through their puppet governments in the west. If it really meant anything it would do more than give lip service to places where there are major humanitarian problems (Myanmar, Ivory coast, etc) or major health and poverty issues (AIDS in Africa, most of North Central Asia lives on $2/day) while sending troops to protect oil production and western financial interests in the middle east.
Avro, offensive??????????? REALLY!!!!!!!!! Do fish swim, are the Kennedys gunshy? :lol:
Just heard that idiot Ignatieff yapping again. Harper wants to allow couples with kids under 18 to split income to reduce taxes, but he wants to wait until the debt is paid, much to Iggy's chagrin, yet Iggy has been the main one yapping about the debt Harper has supposedly run up. I think it's smart to pay off debt before taking on more programs................but not Iggy I guess. :smile:
It is Harpo twisting words again. He said debt, then refereed to when we will have a surplus under his plan which is 2015. Kind of a bait and switch thing so he never has to give out a tax break to the people but can claim he didn't break his promise. Of course he plans to add another $100 billion to the debt in the next 4 years which adds another 334 years to the pay off of the principal. assuming the $300 million surplus he promises in 2015 becomes the standard for the next 2000 years.
Are you slightly worried about the financial state of Canada after this?