Do The Conservatives Deserve Another Chance?

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Red River was an eye-opener. I lived on the 17 stretch. A couple of days after the traffic jam started, you could almost walk to Sturgeon Falls on broken-down green trucks

Thanks for your honesty.

Maybe some people have not had to call for our troops, but when it happens most are sure abandoning the "We don't need a military stance."
 

Durry

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Duceppe says Harper lying on coalition - CTV News

Harper is a liar. There is no debate on this. The only argument from Conservatives can be why it doesn't matter that their man is a liar. As somebody who will not reward a liar with my vote, I ask all those who will vote for Harper how they justify it.

Oh, and I suppose the word of a separatist is indisputable ! No skin in the game ,,,eh,,,like who is paying his way, Quebec's way??
Stick to the p post system, you'll be further ahead !!
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Seems a bit disingenuous to want to live in a community where you give nothing back and expect everyone to fend for themselves. Most successful nations actually evolved from the natural selection bit, but we're digressing further behind now.

Do you really believe this?

Because if you do there are thousands of initiative, from counseling, to educational, to mentoring, that would refute such nonsense.
To borrow a phrase from Avro. It's Chicken Little.

Oh, and I suppose the word of a separatist is indisputable ! No skin in the game ,,,eh,,,like who is paying his way, Quebec's way??
Stick to the p post system, you'll be further ahead !!

Don't challenge his flawed logic. He'll just play dumb.
 

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Do you really believe this?

Because if you do there are thousands of initiative, from counseling, to educational, to mentoring, that would refute such nonsense.

A lot of Euro nations have really high taxes. These are the same 'socially democratic' nations that rate very highly on the top 100 lists. Corporate taxes for these same countries are also 'up there', so they aren't sucking up to the man either.

Sweden
Norway
Finland
Netherlands
Denmark

All of these are in the top 10 countries in the world, and all of them have the highest tax rates in Europe. They also, coincidentally, have really high scores in education, health, economic dynamism, and political environments.

Like I said, when you are this greedy with your dollars, it doesn't seem like you care much about your country either. It's the government that has to be accountable for wasteful spending - giving them less doesn't make that problem go away.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/15/interactive-infographic-of-the-worlds-best-countries.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of_Europe
 
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Retired_Can_Soldier

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A lot of European nations have really high taxes. These are the same 'socially democratic' nations that rate very highly on the top 100 lists.

Have you seen what is happening to many of those European Nations. A lot are going broke, a lot are seeing their own cultures being dissolved. Recent headlines out of Europe. MULTI-CULTURALISM HAS FAILED.

Things aren't exactly Utopian in Europe and this is just the beginning.

We need balance in Canada and I think we have that, but just because one party or another serves does not mean that the end times are upon us. Even if Ignatieff were to pull himself from the doldrums we would survive.
 

Avro

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What a load of crap.

We have a small efficient military that is called upon to support our Nato and UN commitments, as well as deal with domestic emergency..

Chicken little. Yeah right! We're installing silo's for nukes and arming B52's.

When the Ice Storms happened in Quebec the unit I served with had to go into panic mode because half our equipment was in disrepair due to Liberal cut backs. When the Red River swelled in Winnipeg same deal.

You knuckleheads have no problem calling for the military when you need them, you just don't want to flip the bill. You're like the guy who has no problem drinking pichers of beer, but you run for the can when it's your turn to buy a round.

Chicken Little indeed.

Did you use military jets for the relief effort in Quebec?

Were they needed when that clown in Toronto called in the army to shovel snow.

I never said anything about not funding the military properly, just not F-35's.

As far as NATO goes I think I have made my position on that very clear.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Did you use military jets for the relief effort in Quebec?

Were they needed when that clown in Toronto called in the army to shovel snow.

I never said anything about not funding the military properly, just not F-35's.

As far as NATO goes I think I have made my position on that very clear.

Yeah your clear on Nato, but you're not the only citizen of this Country.

So answering the preceding questions is rather pointless.

As I said, some people head for the can when its their turn to buy a round.
 

El Barto

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I have no problem with renewing the Air wing of the forces.....it is the way it was done ....and the lack of honesty of the true cost of it that bugs the fnck out of me ...... that is irresponsible !

Just as irresponsible was Cretien's move to break the contract of the Cormoran helicopter s...... it would of been the same cost almost as sticking with the deal .....except ....we would of had helicopters for it !!!!

We need to hang a few
 

Avro

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Have you seen what is happening to many of those European Nations. A lot are going broke, a lot are seeing their own cultures being dissolved. Recent headlines out of Europe. MULTI-CULTURALISM HAS FAILED.

Things aren't exactly Utopian in Europe and this is just the beginning.

We need balance in Canada and I think we have that, but just because one party or another serves does not mean that the end times are upon us. Even if Ignatieff were to pull himself from the doldrums we would survive.

Yeah, Potugal.....one of the lowest corporate and personal tax rates.

Ireland....again, one of the lowest corporate and personal tax rates.

Greece....again, one of the lowest corporate and personal tax rates.

Germany and France who both have higher tax rates will be bailing them out.

Yeah your clear on Nato, but you're not the only citizen of this Country.

So answering the preceding questions is rather pointless.

As I said, some people head for the can when its their turn to buy a round.

Neither are you.

Why am I heading to the can, I paid 153,000 in tax last year.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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I have no problem with renewing the Air wing of the forces.....it is the way it was done ....and the lack of honesty of the true cost of it that bugs the fnck out of me ...... that is irresponsible !

Just as irresponsible was Cretien's move to break the contract of the Cormoran helicopter s...... it would of been the same cost almost as sticking with the deal .....except ....we would of had helicopters for it !!!!

We need to hang a few

It actually cost more to break the deal.

The Commanders asked for this jet. They are the ones who deploy.

If we are to send our military into hotspots around the world its going to cost money.

Neither are you.

Why am I heading to the can, I paid 153,000 in tax last year.

Oh this again.

Good grief.
 

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Have you seen what is happening to many of those European Nations. A lot are going broke, a lot are seeing their own cultures being dissolved. Recent headlines out of Europe. MULTI-CULTURALISM HAS FAILED.

Things aren't exactly Utopian in Europe and this is just the beginning.

We need balance in Canada and I think we have that, but just because one party or another serves does not mean that the end times are upon us. Even if Ignatieff were to pull himself from the doldrums we would survive.

And until about 20 years ago where were most of our immigrants coming from?

Avro;Why am I heading to the can said:
So why would such an esteemed and affluent fellow like yourself be debating with us unwashed, indigent heathens?
 

Avro

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And until about 20 years ago where were most of our immigrants coming from?



So why would such an esteemed and affluent fellow like yourself be debating with us unwashed, indigent heathens?

I never said I was any better than anyone else.....well....maybe public employees outside of the military, police and fire fighters.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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If you don't want to discuss it anymore that's fine.

Have a good day.

I don't care if you paid a million dollars in taxes. I paid a hell of a lot of taxes last year too. I just don't toss them down like you and say look at me I payed $$$$$$ with an air of arrogance.

The run to the can reference has no bearing on how much your cleaner business or [whatever it is] payed in taxes. It has to do with individuals bitching about the cost of paying for a military. In other words, when Canadian Soldiers spend hour after hour sandbagging or fighting fires I don't hear much whining. But when they're 5000 miles away in a foreign land enforcing a no fly zone for the UN in 30 year old jets the whining is unreal. Perhaps if the whiners had to take a ride in an aging aircraft like a sea king they might have a better understanding of the risk involved.

I know you don't agree with Libya, good for you, that doesn't make the job any less risky.
 

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So why would such an esteemed and affluent fellow like yourself be debating with us unwashed, indigent heathens?

It should be pretty self-evident, he doesn't give a damn about the income loss if he knows it goes somewhere legitimate.

It's no surprise that the biggest government expenditures need the best rationale for them. And if we look at history - expensive military interventions are rarely justified. And yes, this is with all due respect with the pain and suffering that these individuals have to go through. In fact, it would be better off for them that we keep them safe at home instead of sending them out to die when they don't need to.
 
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El Barto

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It actually cost more to break the deal.

The Commanders asked for this jet. They are the ones who deploy.

If we are to send our military into hotspots around the world its going to cost money.



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I wouldn't mind giving the Military General the power to veto if he thought they were poorly equiped to do so.