Are you all ready to start paying about $15 for a Big Mac?

[PoliticalNick]

Just how big a share? How much is enough?

It is safe to say that if by some magic all the world's wealth were evenly and equally distributed and everyone had equal wealth, within two years or five years, maximum, everyone who had been poor before the re-distribution would be poor again, and everyone who had been rich would be rich again.

Quite a lot of bigotry towards the poor in that statement.

How much is enough... well lets say if I have to pay 17% of my earnings then so should they. I cannot afford $500k to open offshore, tax free accounts nor can I invest a couple of hundred grand each year for more tax free earnings. Just tax everyone on everything they earn above the poverty line equally with no deductions available. Same goes for corporations, taxed on their annual earnings with no deductions. You then have a level playing field for everyone. This would increase our tax revenues overall by billions every year.

It is not so much the rate of taxation that is the big problem it is the fact that the best deductions off taxable income are only available to the rich and to corporations. That is where the fix needs to be, once it becomes equitable the rate applied could probably drop to about 12% and still put billions more into the government purse.

 

[JLM]

Is ten grand enough?

How much of that are you taking away to make them feel better?

Dumb question, it all depends on number of dependents, what the rent is, whether they are in the big city or in a rural area or in an igloo on Baffin Island. In most cases 10 grand wouldn't be enough, but that is not what this argument is about.

 

[Avro]

Dumb question, it all depends on number of dependents, what the rent is, whether they are in the big city or in a rural area or in an igloo on Baffin Island. In most cases 10 grand wouldn't be enough, but that is not what this argument is about.

Sure it is, it's about the poor feeling better about themselves because they pay tax on ten grand.

So, how much should they pay?

How about raising taxes on seniors with fixed incomes who worked for the government? I like that idea, get some money back from those idle bums.

 

[JLM]

Sure it is, it's about the poor feeling better about themselves because they pay tax on ten grand.

So, how much should they pay?

How about raising taxes on seniors with fixed incomes who worked for the government? I like that idea, get some money back from those idle bums.

So Einstein why would a person who works for the gov't. fulfilling the same job description as someone else working for the privatae sector be any more idle? Thanks for the entertainment. :lol:

 

[petros]

Tree pippty pie is still the best deal going for two double cheese burgers.

 

[PoliticalNick]

So Einstein why would a person who works for the gov't. fulfilling the same job description as someone else working for the privatae sector be any more idle? Thanks for the entertainment. :lol:

No...just as idle as any other union worker. I just don't understand why the gov't janitor gets paid 40-60% more than the private sector janitor or why the moron approving or denying my EI claim deserves $70k plus full benefits.

 

[petros]

So Einstein why would a person who works for the gov't. fulfilling the same job description as someone else working for the privatae sector be any more idle? Thanks for the entertainment. :lol:

Working for the gov is one of the lowest paying job sectors going. How do you get a good pension when you made jack **** to begin with?

 

[PoliticalNick]

Working for the gov is one of the lowest paying job sectors going. How do you get a good pension when you made jack **** to begin with?

Which government are you talking about...not the feds and not BC.

Idiot on the cafeteria cash register with BC ferries makes about $48k plus full benefits for doing the same as a Mcdonalds cashier.

 

[petros]

BC ferries is a private company.

 

[JLM]

Working for the gov is one of the lowest paying job sectors going. How do you get a good pension when you made jack **** to begin with?

It certainly was when I first started with them in the '60s but eventually things did get better, but always a little behind a lot of the private sector. To be honest tho' the gov't did make up for some of the shortfall by matching us dollar for dollar on our pension contributions. (but on the flip side they did get some of that dollar from the interest paid on our contributions, so we are never really sure what their net contribution was)

 

[PoliticalNick]

BC ferries is a private company.

It is a crown corporation leased to a private operator with a government union. Kinda convaluted deal but still govt corp with govt union

 

[JLM]

Which government are you talking about...not the feds and not BC.

Idiot on the cafeteria cash register with BC ferries makes about $48k plus full benefits for doing the same as a Mcdonalds cashier.

I'll grant you there is a bit of bullsh*t there- their justification for it is that they are also trained in first aid and have to be fully prepared at all times to deal with emergencies. I protested that suggesting that they be paid the full amount for the actual hours they were performing first aid and other heroics. About 10 years ago many good gov't employees paid dearly for this extravagance, luckily for me a couple of years after I retired.

 

[Avro]

So Einstein why would a person who works for the gov't. fulfilling the same job description as someone else working for the privatae sector be any more idle? Thanks for the entertainment. :lol:

Why?

We all know you union government workers don't work very hard...you know...one guy works and three guys watch.

 

[talloola]

No...just as idle as any other union worker. I just don't understand why the gov't janitor gets paid 40-60% more than the private sector janitor or why the moron approving or denying my EI claim deserves $70k plus full benefits.

and if the unions were made to dissapear now, then all of those wages would immediately be cut back,then
you all would make peanuts, and even worse, without any unions, the peanuts would even be scarce,
and the employers would have all of you right where they want you, 'under his thumb', begging for
a job, and willing to work for whatever he offers.

A McDonalds burger would keep getting more expensive, to line the owners pockets even more.

No such thing as any minimum wage at all.

The country would be pushed back about 80 years, you think people have to live on the streets now,
that would be much worse.

At least now, the non union employer has to try to look half respectable by increasing wages now
and then, and make sure his employees do not start up a union, and a minimum wage forces him to
give a 'tad' more every few years.

 

[PoliticalNick]

and if the unions were made to dissapear now, then all of those wages would immediately be cut back,then
you all would make peanuts, and even worse, without any unions, the peanuts would even be scarce,
and the employers would have all of you right where they want you, 'under his thumb', begging for
a job, and willing to work for whatever he offers.

A McDonalds burger would keep getting more expensive, to line the owners pockets even more.

No such thing as any minimum wage at all.

The country would be pushed back about 80 years, you think people have to live on the streets now,
that would be much worse.

At least now, the non union employer has to try to look half respectable by increasing wages now
and then, and make sure his employees do not start up a union, and a minimum wage forces him to
give a 'tad' more every few years.

There was quite a bit of sarcasm in my comment if you didn't get that. Some unions are good and accept fair wages and benefits, others, especially govt unions, like to hold people hostage for outrageous demands.

About the only good things Campbell did in this province was the 'essential services' legislation that prevents teachers and nurses and the like from striking except under the most extreme circumstance.

 

[talloola]

There was quite a bit of sarcasm in my comment if you didn't get that. Some unions are good and accept fair wages and benefits, others, especially govt unions, like to hold people hostage for outrageous demands.

About the only good things Campbell did in this province was the 'essential services' legislation that prevents teachers and nurses and the like from striking except under the most extreme circumstance.

I know the unions are not perfect, far from it in many cases, but 'necessary'.

 

[petros]

It is a crown corporation leased to a private operator with a government union. Kinda convaluted deal but still govt corp with govt union

The private leasee aren't complaining they pay too much to their employees. If jealous about sitting in a booth for 8hrs a day then go apply or go sit in a bus booth to give it a shot.

 

[PoliticalNick]

The private leasee aren't complaining they pay too much to their employees. If jealous about sitting in a booth for 8hrs a day then go apply or go sit in a bus booth to give it a shot.

Why would they complain, they inherited the union and have been allowed to raise fares multiple times to ensure they make a good profit.

I have thought of applying but I would go nuts from boredom after a very short period of time.

 

[petros]

I have thought of applying but I would go nuts from boredom after a very short period of time.

Then apply at Booster Juice where all the action is.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Then apply at Booster Juice where all the action is.

That's a thought...are the wages and benefits comparable?