More Needless Multiculturalism Problems From Immigrants

[Durry]

No, this is no force of nature??? It is government policy for now to bring in 200k -300k per year.
Currently about 22% of Canada is immigrants.

An interesting point tho is that Seniors in Canada require costly health care.
But, in Toronto, for instance, 65% of seniors are immigrants!!
In Vancouver over 50% (seniors) are immigrants !!
The population in Canada of Seniors are just under 30%.

Canada has become a haven for seniors to come here and retire at Canadian expense.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

We are a consumer driven economy. Without fresh blood to buy things the entire world economy is wounded.

Right, the world economy depends on superhigh Canadian immigration levels. That's another con like TINA that they like to feed us.

The fed dept of immigration could save us millions if it was reduced in size. The money saved could be used to pay women, in Canada already, to have third and fourth children to eliminate the need for new foreigners. Give the money back to us instead of bureaucrats sitting at desks.

 

[Durry]

I agree !!

 

[petros]

So that's why we consume 25% of the world's goods in Nor Am? There are Canadian women spitting out kids left right and center so they can once again have strength in numbers. The native women.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

So that's why we consume 25% of the world's goods in Nor Am? There are Canadian women spitting out kids left right and center so they can once again have strength in numbers. The native women.

Yes, we ahve a perverse desire for more growth in Noram. Might change as the price of oil keeps poppin gup.

Natives having a lot of kids? Not that many.

 

[BaalsTears]

Su casa, mi casa.

 

[petros]

Natives having a lot of kids? Not that many.

Are you nuts? Check the stats man. Jesus!

The Daily, Tuesday, January 15, 2008. Aboriginal Peoples in Canada in*2006: Inuit, Métis and First Nations,*2006*Census

Aboriginal people surpass one-million mark

New data from the 2006 Census show that the number of people who identified themselves as an Aboriginal person has surpassed the one-million mark.

A total of 1,172,790 people reported Aboriginal identity, that is, North American Indian (hereafter referred to as First Nations people), Métis or Inuit. The census enumerated 976,305 Aboriginal people in 2001 and 799,010 in 1996.

In 2006, Aboriginal people accounted for 3.8% of the total population of Canada, an increase from 3.3% in 2001 and 2.8% in 1996.

The Aboriginal population has grown faster than the non-Aboriginal population. Between 1996 and 2006, it increased 45%, nearly six times faster than the 8% rate of growth for the non-Aboriginal population over the same period.

Of the three Aboriginal groups, the fastest gain in population between 1996 and 2006 occurred among those who identified themselves as Métis. Their numbers almost doubled (+91%) to an estimated 389,785. This growth rate was nearly three times as fast as the 29% increase in First Nations people, whose numbers reached 698,025. The number of people who identified themselves as Inuit increased 26% to 50,485.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Are you nuts? Check the stats man. Jesus!

The Daily, Tuesday, January 15, 2008. Aboriginal Peoples in Canada in*2006: Inuit, Métis and First Nations,*2006*Census

Aboriginal people surpass one-million mark

New data from the 2006 Census show that the number of people who identified themselves as an Aboriginal person has surpassed the one-million mark.

A total of 1,172,790 people reported Aboriginal identity, that is, North American Indian (hereafter referred to as First Nations people), Métis or Inuit. The census enumerated 976,305 Aboriginal people in 2001 and 799,010 in 1996.

In 2006, Aboriginal people accounted for 3.8% of the total population of Canada, an increase from 3.3% in 2001 and 2.8% in 1996.

The Aboriginal population has grown faster than the non-Aboriginal population. Between 1996 and 2006, it increased 45%, nearly six times faster than the 8% rate of growth for the non-Aboriginal population over the same period.

Of the three Aboriginal groups, the fastest gain in population between 1996 and 2006 occurred among those who identified themselves as Métis. Their numbers almost doubled (+91%) to an estimated 389,785. This growth rate was nearly three times as fast as the 29% increase in First Nations people, whose numbers reached 698,025. The number of people who identified themselves as Inuit increased 26% to 50,485.

Yeah, so much bogus self-identification. Something ought to be done about it. I read the number of Metis jumped from 400,000 to 800,000, all due to self-ident. More gov't lolly. Now that we have big deficits a close look will need to be done to get many of these people off a subsistence existence.

 

[petros]

WTF are you talking about? What does that have to do with birthrates being 6 times higher than anyone else?

 

[Trotz]

Yeah, so much bogus self-identification. Something ought to be done about it. I read the number of Metis jumped from 400,000 to 800,000, all due to self-ident. More gov't lolly. Now that we have big deficits a close look will need to be done to get many of these people off a subsistence existence.

What's wrong with that? At least, people are beginning to be more honest about these things and having First Nations' blood is no longer taboo.

I think the actual number could be higher. I have spent a lot of months in Europe and a lot of supposed 100% European Canadians in Canada couldn't pass the "local" test in Britain, France, Central and Eastern Europe.
Men like Tim McLean (the one murdered on the bus) are otherwise typically looking Canadian (light complexion) but otherwise you couldn't pin him down anywhere in Europe and that's because of the Amerindian ancestry.

Historically, the first Canadians married Amerindian women because there were few European women around.

 

[petros]

What's wrong with that? At least, people are beginning to be more honest about these things and having First Nations' blood is no longer taboo.

I think the actual number could be higher. I have spent a lot of months in Europe and a lot of supposed 100% European Canadians in Canada couldn't pass the "local" test in Britain, France, Central and Eastern Europe.
Men like Tim McLean (the one murdered on the bus) are otherwise typically looking Canadian (light complexion) but otherwise you couldn't pin him down anywhere in Europe and that's because of the Amerindian ancestry.

Historically, the first Canadians married Amerindian women because there were few European women around.

Read up on the Jesuits for integration rather than conquering.

 

[Cliffy]

First Nations has no standing in international law. Most Indigenous people I know do not use that title anymore. They also don't like aboriginal as it sounds to much like abnormal. And you will notice that it is still the Department of Indian Affairs and we still oppress indigenous people with the Indian Act.

 

[Trotz]

First Nations has no standing in international law. Most Indigenous people I know do not use that title anymore. They also don't like aboriginal as it sounds to much like abnormal. And you will notice that it is still the Department of Indian Affairs and we still oppress indigenous people with the Indian Act.

Who does have standing in international law? Isn't that a bit of a strawman argument?

Regardless, I believe most people in Canada use the term First Nations. Calling them aboriginal has lost a lot of ground since the mainstream Bering Strait migration theory. Not to suggest that the First Nations' are typically Asiatic peoples; which in Canada's case would be the Chinese, but most Canadians couldn't tell the difference between a Salish (people) and Kalmyk (people); no more than most of can identify a Navajo (people) from a Karen (people).

 

[Cliffy]

First of all, there is evidence that the earliest people (we have found evidence of) came from Polynesia and Australia via boat at least as early as 33 thousand years ago. And as I pointed out in another thread, the Bering Land Bridge theory has been debunked. The Navajo originated in the Northwest Territories, a renegade band of Dene who migrated south about 900 years ago. Most of the nations in Eastern Canada and the US North East have European DNA going back 10 thousand years. The truth is, we have no idea who the first people were, where they came from, how they got here or when. The similarities in prairie cultures and those in Northern Siberia could just as easily come from here to there.

 

[Durry]

First of all, there is evidence that the earliest people (we have found evidence of) came from Polynesia and Australia via boat at least as early as 33 thousand years ago.re.

No, your wrong !! It's 14 thousand years ago.

Watch The National on CBC tonight !!

And their not from Poly....

 

[Trotz]

Indeed it is a complicated story. We do not need to look further than Europe with the Sami and Sinti people. Even among mainstream European phenotypes, we've had multiple anthropologists over the centuries who concluded that certain mainstream European phenotypes were formed as a result of intermarriage with outside groups.


I don't particularly care about the whole Amerindian thing. It's just the boomers, who think we're still building residential camps and sexually abusing First Nations' children somewhere in Canada. My generation is quite colour blind. I don't think these people are entitled to special privileges but that's not the same as suggesting they should be oppressed (no more than I am oppressed or anyone in Canada is)

 

[Bar Sinister]

But multiculturalism has allowed immigration levels to get too high and allow these groups to live together and not assimilate. When the assimilation process is too slow they get disaffected and aggressively resist Canadianization and assert old country traditions here. Like wearing the Burka.

Many of these problems would vanish if immigration numbers were reduced to 100,000 per year and half of the immigrants came from western countries, and the other half from Asia and Africa.

You are wrong on several counts. During the 19th century many immigrants, notably the Germans, Ukrainians, Poles, Norwegians and others were deliberately settled in what were called "Block Settlements." This is the origin of many Prairie communities with ethnic names, such as New Norway, Bruderheim, Thorsby and so on. The idea was to make it easier for new immigrants to Canada to fit in to their new country. True, it did result in a certain amount of insularity, but over time the descendants of these settlers integrated fully into Canadian society. The same is also true of immigrants who were forced into ethnic ghettos like the Chinese and Japanese. Eventually these people became as Canadian as anyone else. All that is required for full integration into Canadian society is time.

You are also wrong about immigration levels. Limiting immigration to just 100,000 people per year would actually result in a net decline in the population. This will become especially critical as the population ages, creating a shortage of workers and lowering the base of those who pay taxes. Currently Canada's natural population increase is about 3/1000. However, this number will continue to fall as the number of women of child-bearing age continues to drop. This is a trend that has already created an aging and declining population in nations like Japan, Russia, and Germany.

There is nothing new in this tread. Hostility toward immigrants has existed from the early part of the 19th century and the arguments directed toward them were identical to those in this thread. Those who opposed immigration in the 19th century on the grounds that immigrants would never fit in and would undermine Canada's culture have been proved wrong again and again. I have little reason to doubt that they will be proved wrong again.

 

[BaalsTears]

This is what multiculturalism produces:

Five Americans Reportedly Held in Pakistan on Terror Charges - Print - Newsweek

Oh, by the way, the first Canadians were from Africa: JOURNEY OF MANKIND - The Peopling of the World

 

[Omicron]

http://tunes.digitalock.com/hellodarknessgregorian.mp3

 

[ironsides]

But multiculturalism has allowed immigration levels to get too high and allow these groups to live together and not assimilate. When the assimilation process is too slow they get disaffected and aggressively resist Canadianization and assert old country traditions here. Like wearing the Burka.

Many of these problems would vanish if immigration numbers were reduced to 100,000 per year and half of the immigrants came from western countries, and the other half from Asia and Africa.

Unless Canadians wear uniforms, what a immigrant chooses to wear perfectly fine. I do not agree with women covering their faces with a burka in public, simply for the danger it can cause by cutting off your vision. Putting quotas in immigration sounds nice also, but it was tossed out the window as racist years ago. (10 Polish, 5 Japanese, 14 Swedes, 3000 Liechtensteinians) Who sets who comes is my point? What major problem does Canada have with immigration, you look at other countries around you and the problems seem to be same Canadians just don;t want immigrants period.