Wisconsin Republicans - "No Room For Compromise"

Avro

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I'm not shovelling ****. I'm spoon feeding you truth friend.:)

No you're not.

You're trying to spoon feed me lies and propoganda.

People are eventually going to work for what ever salary that will give them what the need. Unions spoiled us, drove prices up so we could get better and better things. Do we need those things, not really but were used to them and it will be hard to give them up. This really will become the good old days.

I don't know how many are aware of this or not, but the most affluent suburbes in and around NYC have a volunteer fire department, trained as good or better than most professional ones. As for police, doctor, electrician, plumber etc, they will have to accept salaries that communities can afford.
These people are not idiots, merely spoiled.

Let's start with you.

What do you make?
 

BaalsTears

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If you think posting pictures of left-wing nutters somehow excuses or justifies right-wing nutters, you are so sadly mistaken.

No excuses. What I'm saying is that nothing can be accomplished until one side wins and the other loses this ideological struggle. Analogously, slavery could not be ended until the Union prevailed over the Confederacy. That is what many of my Canadian friends do not understand.

Nothing is possible without ideological victory for one side and ideological defeat for the other side. Only then will renewal be possible. The old world of reasonable compromise is gone. It doesn't matter who is at fault. We must deal with reality. And reality dictates that the aggressor sets the rules.
 

Avro

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No excuses. What I'm saying is that nothing can be accomplished until one side wins and the other loses this ideological struggle. Analogously, slavery could not be ended until the Union prevailed over the Confederacy. That is what many of my Canadian friends do not understand.

Nothing is possible without ideological victory for one side and ideological defeat for the other side. Only then will renewal be possible. The old world of reasonable compromise is gone. It doesn't matter who is at fault. We must deal with reality. And reality dictates that the aggressor sets the rules.

You want a dictatorship......those always work out well.

What's next?

The victors line up the opposition and gun them down?
 

BaalsTears

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I understand it. I just don't agree with it.

Civil wars, figurative or literal, are usually messy. These things will play out according to their own time tables.

You want a dictatorship......those always work out well.

What's next?

The victors line up the opposition and gun them down?

No. I want you to get a less distracting avatar. On that issue there can be no compromise. Haha.
 

Trotz

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"Totalitarianism" being a bad thing is just a myth.

France was reduced to a second rate power when its' democratically-elected leaders; since 1871, were unable to compete with the efficient autocratic regime of the Kaiserreich and soon Germany had outbred and was more industrialized than France and a lot of those changes brought in during the Kaiserreich and even during the Autocrat Weimar years have survived into modern Germany.

The United States can't even reform its' education system because the democratic system is prohibiting change to a more efficient model. Much like all the cities have all fallen to urban decline, because no city council can agree on touch decisions like deporting the homeless and replacing low-income communities with high-tech Condo projects.


Notice how "great" Eastern Europe is with democracy. Democracy is great for maintaining the status quo ("system of balance and checks") but do you necessarily always want to maintain a negative status quo? Nations unwilling to adapt die, end of story.
 

Avro

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Okay.....seems some want to have a totalarian dictatorship.

So far we have Baals and Trotz.

Anymore out there?

I can take a guess at a few...china and the beave.
 

taxslave

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Wow, what a stupid comment that is.

A comapany that shuts down a factory in a small town and moves the jobs to china has no effect on anyone?

The CEO will get a huge bonus and the ones fortunate enough to have shares will get dividens, but the town is ruined.

But hell, damn those overpaid firefighters who get a pension.:roll:

Did you loose what little comprehension skills you were born with?
 

BaalsTears

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You want one ideology to take over...you've said it many times.

Only one way for that to happen comrad.

There are many component elements that together comprise individual liberty. For me, the most important is personal autonomy. I have trouble with govt. making economic decisions for me. My views are much closer to anarchist than totalitarian.

Individual liberty is more important than the existence of America itself. Let that sink in. That is how radical I have become in my rejection of paternalism.

On the subject of public employee unions in America, here is an article I think you might find interesting:

Public Unions Get Too 'Friendly' - WSJ.com
 

Avro

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There are many component elements that together comprise individual liberty. For me, the most important is personal autonomy. I have trouble with govt. making economic decisions for me. My views are much closer to anarchist than totalitarian.

Individual liberty is more important than the existence of America itself. Let that sink in. That is how radical I have become in my rejection of paternalism.

On the subject of public employee unions in America, here is an article I think you might find interesting:

Public Unions Get Too 'Friendly' - WSJ.com

Blah blah blah blah....that had nothing at all to do with what I just said.
 

earth_as_one

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BT, you are a Libertarian.

I understand and support your choice to go it alone rather and disdain for unions. However other people don't share your opinion and prefer to work in cooperative groups. If you were truly a libertarian, you would support the right of others to choose freely. For some people that would mean a career associated with the pros and cons of a union.

Just because you have a right, doesn't mean you have to use it. The rights the good people of Wisconsin fight to preserve, were won a long time ago through courage, sacrifice and struggle. Now you support taking away their right to choose, so that they have to make the same choice as you. Doesn't that contradict your Libertarian philosophy?

BTW, I was a union member for 20 years. I've been independent for the last 10. I know both sides. Even as an independent I seek out cooperative mutually beneficial relationships. I find "networking" helps me find new clients. My peers and I can cover for each other, take on work the other can't do. We can specialize. I know how much compensation is standard for my skill set...

Blah blah blah blah....that had nothing at all to do with what I just said.
I agree. You aren't reading what Avro wrote.
 

ironsides

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Now whether you support this or not is not the question. We cannot have a President picking and chosing what laws he will or will not support. That is a perfect example of what could be the begining of the dictatorship mentioned by Avro mentioned, it only starts with one law being pushed aside. There are legal ways to get around this.





“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” -- Thomas Jefferson
 

Cannuck

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We cannot have a President picking and chosing what laws he will or will not support.

Why not? Here in Canada Harper doesn't support the gun registry (and rightly so) and some provinces said they wouldn't prosecute people that failed to register.

There are places in the States where it is illegal to kiss your wife in public on Sundays or ride an elephant while wearing a sombrero. Politicians ignore laws all the time.
 

ironsides

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Why not? Here in Canada Harper doesn't support the gun registry (and rightly so) and some provinces said they wouldn't prosecute people that failed to register.

There are places in the States where it is illegal to kiss your wife in public on Sundays or ride an elephant while wearing a sombrero. Politicians ignore laws all the time.

Then they are disobeying the law of the land. They are directed by the people to enforce a law until it is repealed no matter what we personally think about it. Has Harper done anything to have gun registry done away with? If not he is a supporter just doesn't want the public to know. Yes there are laws ignored, but the people do not care if they are or not.

In Florida: It is illegal to show your breast in a topless dance.
I guess in this case dancing topless must mean dancing without a hat.
 

coldstream

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Good luck reinventing the world.

People are unaware at how recent the Global Free Market paradigm has been upon us. It actually started, with avengance, with the rescinding of the Bretton Woods Agreement by Richard Nixon in 1971, which had established narrow trading ranges for currencies, and protected the sovereignty of the Nation State in establishing monetary and credit policy.

The rise of Free Trade in commodities and money, started here, and has led to the chaotic global casino in currencies, the explosion of derivatives as 'near monies', the deindustrialization of the West, the polarization of the wealth.

We had something that worked from 1946 - 1971 in the West, a period of the greatest gowth, of equitably shared wealth in the history of the world. Since then it has been a steady decline, and vast disequilibriums in economic potential. It can't last. I won't have to reinvent it, it is already in a state of collapse.

There will be crisis after crisis, ever more catastrophic which will leave the global economy in a shambles, and the world at war.