Gun Toting Americans Shooting Themselves Up Again
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No doubt about it. If you think about it imagery is present in every T.V. commercial. Life is mainly imagery.
Unfortunately we have nut cases in our society, a small portion of the population, take Canada
for instance we have 35 million people here and a small number shoot police in Mayerthorpe
or the shooting of women at a technical institute. In America they have 300 million people, and
there small number would be about 35 million nut cases. Some say take the guns and change
the culture. Those people miss the point however. In America it is not only the culture it is a
belief system born out of a nation by Revolution. Americans actually fear the power of their
elected government and have always felt a disconnect with government. Add to the present
situation of unemployment, and loss of entire industries that were a way of life. Then there is
the uncertainty of changing society through Medicare and other social programs. People cry
socialism about Medicare, they they applaud the extension of the Unemployment benefits also
provided by government. More and more, families are feeling isolated and abandoned and the
young people seeing the "its a given" prosperity fading aware are fearful and angry.
Add rhetoric to the mix on right wing radio, and before one yells bias, the left wing rhetoric
calling people fascists and evil and God knows what else.
In the backdrop of all of this, allow large numbers of people with mental instability as their stock
and trade, to carry guns. It is not the guns that are the problem, it is the finger on the trigger
that is the problem. More has to be done to ensure those with guns are responsible people.
The other problem is criminals of all types carry guns, many neighbourhoods have descended
into madness so even reasonable people who have guns become frightened and sometimes
through fear unreasonable. After all fear does that.
With all the rhetoric many become isolated, resentful and fearful, the unstable see visions and its
their mission, by whatever force leads them, to straighten out civilization.
The only way a nation can counter act such a situation, is to have is political and community leaders
become, sincere and trustworthy leaders, they must begin reasoned debate, and ensure they mention
that the other person is an opponent, not an enemy. In other words without responsible civility the
madness will go on, and the crazies will add to the fears of the nation ensuring the next tragedy will
be worse than the previous event, which in turn keeps the 24 hours news services more opportunity
to sensationalize the bloodshed ensuring there is no end to it.
Its my right and I can do what ever the hell I want, has to take a back seat to responsibility and some
measure of self control, until that happens our world will continually sink to new lows, in the cesspool
of history.
for instance we have 35 million people here and a small number shoot police in Mayerthorpe
or the shooting of women at a technical institute. In America they have 300 million people, and
there small number would be about 35 million nut cases. Some say take the guns and change
the culture. Those people miss the point however. In America it is not only the culture it is a
belief system born out of a nation by Revolution. Americans actually fear the power of their
elected government and have always felt a disconnect with government. Add to the present
situation of unemployment, and loss of entire industries that were a way of life. Then there is
the uncertainty of changing society through Medicare and other social programs. People cry
socialism about Medicare, they they applaud the extension of the Unemployment benefits also
provided by government. More and more, families are feeling isolated and abandoned and the
young people seeing the "its a given" prosperity fading aware are fearful and angry.
Add rhetoric to the mix on right wing radio, and before one yells bias, the left wing rhetoric
calling people fascists and evil and God knows what else.
In the backdrop of all of this, allow large numbers of people with mental instability as their stock
and trade, to carry guns. It is not the guns that are the problem, it is the finger on the trigger
that is the problem. More has to be done to ensure those with guns are responsible people.
The other problem is criminals of all types carry guns, many neighbourhoods have descended
into madness so even reasonable people who have guns become frightened and sometimes
through fear unreasonable. After all fear does that.
With all the rhetoric many become isolated, resentful and fearful, the unstable see visions and its
their mission, by whatever force leads them, to straighten out civilization.
The only way a nation can counter act such a situation, is to have is political and community leaders
become, sincere and trustworthy leaders, they must begin reasoned debate, and ensure they mention
that the other person is an opponent, not an enemy. In other words without responsible civility the
madness will go on, and the crazies will add to the fears of the nation ensuring the next tragedy will
be worse than the previous event, which in turn keeps the 24 hours news services more opportunity
to sensationalize the bloodshed ensuring there is no end to it.
Its my right and I can do what ever the hell I want, has to take a back seat to responsibility and some
measure of self control, until that happens our world will continually sink to new lows, in the cesspool
of history.
''You two do realize you are making complete fools of yourselves, don't you?
These accusations are not only ludicrous and in such poor taste, they are not helpful in a political environment that is becoming far too polarized.''
If what you're saying is true, then explain to me why Palin dropped her ad? Why are so many people throughout the USA demanding that she do no less and are now holding her responsible for it??
''The bottom line is being missed here- One- Sarah Palin never wished for any mayhem or deaths''
Then why make a public call for open display of weapons???
Are you still sure she would be a good president?
''But it's delusional to think that a reference to RELOAD with a link to a map with crosshairs is meant to depict a surveyors map.''
HAHAHA!!! Great reply!
'' People cry
socialism about Medicare''
But they fail to say the same when the government gives trillions in bailouts and subsidies to corporations.
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''It's typical Hypocrisy of the Left to bash the Right for the rhetoric when they're guilty of it during the last 8 years of Bush comparing him to Hitle''
Bush lied about WMD and killed over a million Iraqis under false pretenses (see Downing Street Memo). All throughout the world he was called fascist for his crimes against Iraq. I don't see too many of his past defenders standing up for his war today. Do you??
These accusations are not only ludicrous and in such poor taste, they are not helpful in a political environment that is becoming far too polarized.''
If what you're saying is true, then explain to me why Palin dropped her ad? Why are so many people throughout the USA demanding that she do no less and are now holding her responsible for it??
''The bottom line is being missed here- One- Sarah Palin never wished for any mayhem or deaths''
Then why make a public call for open display of weapons???
Are you still sure she would be a good president?
''But it's delusional to think that a reference to RELOAD with a link to a map with crosshairs is meant to depict a surveyors map.''
HAHAHA!!! Great reply!
'' People cry
socialism about Medicare''
But they fail to say the same when the government gives trillions in bailouts and subsidies to corporations.
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''It's typical Hypocrisy of the Left to bash the Right for the rhetoric when they're guilty of it during the last 8 years of Bush comparing him to Hitle''
Bush lied about WMD and killed over a million Iraqis under false pretenses (see Downing Street Memo). All throughout the world he was called fascist for his crimes against Iraq. I don't see too many of his past defenders standing up for his war today. Do you??
When even those on your 'side' tell you they think you've crossed a line, why don't politicians listen?
YouTube - Elisabeth Hasselbeck calls out Sarah Palin
YouTube - Elisabeth Hasselbeck calls out Sarah Palin
Republicans are not responsible for extremist and hate rhetoric? Of course they are. See for yourself:
VIDEO: The Extreme, Violent Rhetoric Of GOP Lawmakers
ThinkProgress VIDEO: The Extreme, Violent Rhetoric Of GOP Lawmakers
''ThinkProgress has compiled a short snapshot of Republican lawmakers speeches to angry tea party crowds throughout the year, using extremely violent rhetoric. The compilation below features Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX), Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX), Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), Rep. Wally Herger (R-CA), Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), and King:
VIDEO: The Extreme, Violent Rhetoric Of GOP Lawmakers
ThinkProgress VIDEO: The Extreme, Violent Rhetoric Of GOP Lawmakers
''ThinkProgress has compiled a short snapshot of Republican lawmakers speeches to angry tea party crowds throughout the year, using extremely violent rhetoric. The compilation below features Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX), Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX), Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), Rep. Wally Herger (R-CA), Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), and King:
MCCAUL: They fought against tyranny and oppressive taxes, do that sound familiar? We’re continuing that revolution right here in Austin, Texas today. Thomas Jefferson said the Tree of Liberty will be fed by the blood of tyrants and patriots. You are the modern day patriots. [...]
* * * * * BARTON: What are the homeland security people calling us now?
AUDIENCE: Domestic terrorists! Terrorists!
BARTON: Welcome right-wing activists — is that what we are?
AUDIENCE: Extremists!
BARTON: Yeah extreme, well I’m going to get me a button.
* * * * * AUDIENCE MEMBER: I’m a proud right-wing terrorist. …
HERGER: Amen god bless you, there’s a great American.
* * * * * BACHMANN: I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back.
* * * * * KING: If I could start a country with a bunch of people it would be the folks standing out here the last few days. Let’s hope we don’t have to do that. Let’s beat that other side to a pulp. Let’s take them out, let’s chase them down.''
YouTube - GOP lawmakers fan the flames of hate
* * * * * BARTON: What are the homeland security people calling us now?
AUDIENCE: Domestic terrorists! Terrorists!
BARTON: Welcome right-wing activists — is that what we are?
AUDIENCE: Extremists!
BARTON: Yeah extreme, well I’m going to get me a button.
* * * * * AUDIENCE MEMBER: I’m a proud right-wing terrorist. …
HERGER: Amen god bless you, there’s a great American.
* * * * * BACHMANN: I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back.
* * * * * KING: If I could start a country with a bunch of people it would be the folks standing out here the last few days. Let’s hope we don’t have to do that. Let’s beat that other side to a pulp. Let’s take them out, let’s chase them down.''
YouTube - GOP lawmakers fan the flames of hate
People that can't see that are either lying or stupid. It doesn't matter what they are, it matters what they represent and they obviously represent cross hairs. A Nazi skin head claiming the swastika tattooed on his head is actually a tribute to Samarran history would be just as laughable.
Politicians ramped up the rhetoric. Sarah, like many others are responsible. It's no different than 50 people sitting in a bar watching a drunk pull out his car keys and walk out of the place. Sure they they didn't "wished for any mayhem or deaths" on the local highway but what's done is done.
That's a bit of a stretch, those people may have been able to grab the keys, I don't think Sarah was in a position to grab the gun. :smile:
She was in a position to make a difference. She could have toned down the rhetoric. Considering many if not most organizations are taking the threat of violence in the work place seriously (we have a section in our safety manual about this type of thing) it's asinine to suggest that these people aren't aware of the level of instability out there. They can choose to tone it down or they can choose to ramp it up. It's clear what path Sarah chose.
You can't seriously believe that the whole rhetoric thing is responsible for this nut job.
Every election campaign is considered a fight - does that mean every candidate is encouraging mentally unstable people to physically attack other candidates?
Stop over reacting - our world is full of sports analogies and gun analogies, and has been for centuries. There is a tiny minority of people who are nut jobs - we have to stop blaming ourselves every time someone goes off the rails in some weird way.
Every election campaign is considered a fight - does that mean every candidate is encouraging mentally unstable people to physically attack other candidates?
Stop over reacting - our world is full of sports analogies and gun analogies, and has been for centuries. There is a tiny minority of people who are nut jobs - we have to stop blaming ourselves every time someone goes off the rails in some weird way.
That would be an oversimplification, just as saying the over the top rhetoric has no effect would be an oversimplification.
Well, maybe then she should be charged and let the courts decide it.
So what's the point?
Knee jerk reaction to placate the Left??:smile:
She doesn't want Whoopi and Joy to walk out???:lol:
She doesn't want to end up like Juan Williams????
I agree, but that could start with any of 10 thousand Canadian politicians. Politicians = bullsh*tters.