Michael Vick saga

IdRatherBeSkiing

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His first year as a starter he won a playoff game in Green Bay (02/03). Considering the team he had that was no small feat. I've watched football since I was knee high to a grasshopper. That was one of best performances I've ever seen. Just getting there was an accomplishment but to show up Favre at Lambeau in the playoffs was Herculean. His broken leg threw a wrench into his game after that, and I'm sure the present issue didn't just appear overnight. His focus has probably been marred by these off field issues for awhile.

Vick scrambling ability made it harder for conventional defences (like the Packers at the time) to handle. Once defences adjusted to take away the scramble, his abilities were limited. The key to contain Vick has always been stop his scrambling and make him be a normal QB. IF he could have been a better QB to go along with his RB abilities, he would have been devistating. Unfortunatly, as a QB, he was mediocre.
 

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Now it looks as if Atlanta is trying to get back the $22 million that he already received as a signing bonus. I think that Atlanta will drop him like a hot potato, and if any team was idiotic enough to sign him(assuming he was even ever allowed to play again after getting out of jail) I would hope pressure from other teams would make them change their mind.

It doesn't matter. Although he is under contract with Atlanta, he costs them 0. Should he ever be allowed to play and Atlanta doesn't want him, they can trade him at that point for a draft pick or something. Cutting him removes that possibility.
 

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Vick scrambling ability made it harder for conventional defences (like the Packers at the time) to handle. Once defences adjusted to take away the scramble, his abilities were limited. The key to contain Vick has always been stop his scrambling and make him be a normal QB. IF he could have been a better QB to go along with his RB abilities, he would have been devistating. Unfortunatly, as a QB, he was mediocre.

No doubt. If he had more accuracy in his passing he would've been unstoppable. His arm strength has never been an issue, it has been the ineffectiveness with it. The problem with some gunslingers is they always feel the need to throw a ball on a rope. The better deep passers have the ability to put a little more air under it so receivers can make adjustments.

As one writer once put it, he had the arm strength of John Elway, the moves of Gayle Sayers and the speed of OJ Simpson. A little tweak here or there and his future could've been whatever he wanted it to be. In the end his greymatter got the best of him.
 

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No doubt. If he had more accuracy in his passing he would've been unstoppable. His arm strength has never been an issue, it has been the ineffectiveness with it. The problem with some gunslingers is they always feel the need to throw a ball on a rope. The better deep passers have the ability to put a little more air under it so receivers can make adjustments.

As one writer once put it, he had the arm strength of John Elway, the moves of Gayle Sayers and the speed of OJ Simpson. A little tweak here or there and his future could've been whatever he wanted it to be. In the end his greymatter got the best of him.

He seemed incapable of making the tweak. Certainly even with his limitations, he would have been a better starting QB than Joey Harrington (anyone remember how much he sucked in Detroit?) who is not the new starting QB. This shall be a long season in Atlanta.
 

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the lowest of low-lifes. And, I heard one of his teamates feeling sorry for him today, saying that he
is out there now, all by himself, taking all this heat.

I can understand, from his teamate's point of view, why he would feel so sorry for him taking so much heat, but come on! He deserves it! What about those poor dogs that were killed in all of this?!

Yea, what a low-life indeed.
 

Kreskin

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Had to bring this one back to life. Anyone watching this guy annihilate the Redskins right now? He's the best quarterback on the planet.
 

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I'm not going to agree that he's the best QB on the planet (he's only playing the Dedskins) but he is playing very well.

He's paying off on the field for the Eagles but I'm still not sure of him or them. What he did was reprehensible to me and I think he was forgiven too easily. I wasn't really keen on the Eagles organizationally before that and this doesn't help matters... and no, I'm overly happy with the way the Rooneys in Pittsburgh let Roethlisburger off the hook either.

I guess time will tell but I am a pretty unforgiving and skeptical person at times.
 

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I've been watching the game today and decided to revive this thread. I'm interested in people's opinions of Vick and if they've changed since this whole thing began.

For me, I thought what he did was horrible (not to mention stupid) and I thought he deserved jail time. That said, he did his time and I have no ill feelings towards the guy. He says he is sorry. I don't know him but I will take his word on that...he team mates seem to have.
 

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I've been watching the game today and decided to revive this thread. I'm interested in people's opinions of Vick and if they've changed since this whole thing began.

For me, I thought what he did was horrible (not to mention stupid) and I thought he deserved jail time. That said, he did his time and I have no ill feelings towards the guy. He says he is sorry. I don't know him but I will take his word on that...he team mates seem to have.

What bothers me is that felons become heroes because they can throw a ball.

I don't believe that any criminal should be allowed to play professional sports; let them find some other occupation. Sure, he's done his time, but I don't believe he should be allowed to be in that sort of role.
 

Cannuck

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I don't believe that any criminal should be allowed to play professional sports; let them find some other occupation. Sure, he's done his time, but I don't believe he should be allowed to be in that sort of role.

Not sure how you could get that to happen. Having judges tell those convicted what they can and can't do for a living after their sentence has been served amounts to adding another lifetime sentence. On the other side, I doubt you would get the sports leagues/associations to stop hiring these guys. Aside from the fact he is incredibly talented, he sells tickets (which is what it's all about)

Personally I don't care what somebody does in their personal life. I thought people should have left Tiger alone and Khabiboulin's impaired driving has no effect on his ability to play goal...but then I don't consider these guys heroes.
 

TenPenny

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Not sure how you could get that to happen. Having judges tell those convicted what they can and can't do for a living after their sentence has been served amounts to adding another lifetime sentence. On the other side, I doubt you would get the sports leagues/associations to stop hiring these guys. Aside from the fact he is incredibly talented, he sells tickets (which is what it's all about)

As a licensed professional, my provincial association can kick me out for having a criminal conviction. Not only that, but a sports team is not required to hire convicted felons, although they don't seem to have any qualms about doing so. To me, it shows what the team owners are made of.

Everybody is happy to excuse violent nasty criminals.
 

shadowshiv

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Well, the Eagles lost to Green Bay so it looks like it doesn't matter much either way.

I don't like what he did, and would be fine with him never playing professional football again, but until the mentality of the owners changes, it is doubtful that things will ever change.
 

wulfie68

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As a licensed professional, my provincial association can kick me out for having a criminal conviction. Not only that, but a sports team is not required to hire convicted felons, although they don't seem to have any qualms about doing so. To me, it shows what the team owners are made of.

Everybody is happy to excuse violent nasty criminals.

I see some merit in what you are saying: it rankles that because this guy has athletic ability, more doors are going to open to him to aid in his (presumptive) rehabilitation, whereas Joe Average Felon is going to find more doors close than if he was an average citizen. I also understand what you are implying in that professional athletes do become role models for kids, etc. and that they can be limited by the clauses in their contracts that purtain to conduct that has negative impacts on their team and/or the league (ironically this is how the Falcons voided Vick's contract when the charges came out and he was convicted).

I also see the other side of the coin: at what point do we allow a guy like Michael Vick to step out of the shadow of what he has done and paid his price for doing, and get on with his life? Do we allow people to be redeemed, to come forward and say " I was wrong, I've paid a price for it. Kids, please don't do what I have done"? The role model angle has another side in that he also provides an example for those who have made mistakes, that it is possible to make ammends and rise above your past.

Now I agree with the statement about team owners only caring about winning and not caring about the character of their players: thats why someone like Stallworth can still be playing in New England less than 18 months after killing a pedestrian when he was drunk driving...
 

Unforgiven

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Money trumps everything. Vick has potential that billionaires can make millions off of. Dogs schmogs it's all about the money. Dogs kids, women it's all a buffet regardless of the moral turpitude.
 

Johnny Utah

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There's more to the Michael Vick saga because for whatever reason he obviously took the fall for nameless others involved.
 

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I'm not sure following the the gangsta credo of not snitching does much to improve his image in my estimation... just means he left them to continue abusing dogs for their jollies.

Dog fighting is deeply engrained in gang culture.. it's how Vick got into it, even when he was rich enough to leave it behind.
 
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I love animals, have had dogs cats bunnies, think anyone who could do that to a dog is an A hole, but I live in a society where we let pedophiles out on the street after a couple years and people barely blink. Vick did his time, in my eyes he is still an A hole, but if he is truly on the road to redemption we should step out of his way and let him get there.

I could careless whether he is a football player or a gas pump jockey. Hopefully he has learned something.