New Spaceport Viable for Vancouver Island

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Highlights:

- cost $200 million
- themoney we've given other countries to launch our satellites, we could have built our own
- somewhere on the west coast of the Island
- less of an evironmental impact than a mine
- one launch per year to start, then three per year
- Canada is falling behind other countries


Vancouver Island seen as potential site for spaceport

Vancouver Island seen as potential site for spaceport






By Stefania Seccia, Westerly News December 9, 2010




Canada is being left behind by other nations in the realm of space science technology and capabilities, according to one University of British Columbia astronomer who is aiming to fix that.


"What we've paid other countries [especially India] in launching our satellites we could have paid for a spaceport," Dr. Redouane Al Fakir noted.


The Vancouver astrophysicist told the Westerly News in a phone interview that Canada is trailing Russia, India and China who each have spaceports, which other countries including Canada and America pay to launch satellites from. In November Al Fakir first announced his general idea for Space Launch Canada.


Al Fakir's next announcement, flushing out more details, came by way of a Canadian Press story on December 6, which since has thrown him into the spotlight as many other news outlets including CBC and the A Channel have interviewed him.


What's warranted the attention is his intention to bring a spaceport to B.C.'s coast (as a launch site requires the ocean to be close by.) He also says the province has an untapped, raw energy unlike its east coast counterpart.


If not on Vancouver Island, the other option is to have the port built up north, which is less accessible, he added.

However, Al Fakir said the full vision would see a spaceport built on the Atlantic side of Canada in the future as well.

A spaceport would have several components: a space launch pad, facility, rocket launcher and rocket . And it could potentially come to the Port Alberni, Tofino and Ucluelet region.


With one location he already favours (that he has not disclosed), initially he intends to meet with local community members and stakeholders across Vancouver Island.


At first Al Fakir will have a "flash visit" with several communities including Tofino and Ucluelet for a first impression, which will lead to a more organized visit. A trip was scheduled for this week and was postponed for better weather sometime before Christmas.


Although he is aware that some West Coast residents may be reluctant to play host to a spaceport, he points to the many positives that having one could bring such as spin-off tourism.


He noted that environmental concerns would not inhibit the project because they are minimal compared to other operations.

A self-described environmentalist at heart, Al Fakir said a spaceport has much less a carbon footprint than any mining or forestry ventures.


For instance, when a rocket is set off, the big plume of smoke seen is actually water vapours because it is launched on a surface of water so heat transfers to it.


"At first we will only launch once a year," he said. "Then slowly we'd go up to one every four months."

Also, Al Fakir said the site would fit into any area where clear-cut logging ravaged through as the size of the space needed would be approximately the same space utilized for a school.


"We would not need to clear cut much if we used a logged patch," he said.


The other un-environmentally friendly practice of testing fuel could be done in industrial zones in larger urban centres such as Vancouver, according to Al Fakir, and not necessarily in the remote location he is working on attaining.


From my marketing self, it is in our interest to sell Canada to the rest of the world as a fusion of a wilderness frontier and space as a frontier," he explained. "Why would we then come in and damage that wilderness?"


Space Launch Canada will aim to be 100 per cent Canadian owned, according to the astrophysicist, and attract other countries in launching their satellites.


This idea led him to visit other countries in order to establish a collaborative effort to optimize funding and resources and add to what Canada already has.


Al Fakir took a trip to Qatar to look for funding and to acquire investors for the project, which is a similar route America has taken as it's collaborated with China and India too.


"India will be landing on the moon in two years," Al Fakir said. "China will soon have astronauts landing on the moon."

"With every day and month that passes Canada is falling behind in the further advancements of the other countries."


His presentation in Qatar regarding Canada and a potential project design for a station on the moon received a positive response.

A space rocket for his project would initially be made elsewhere at a cost of about $200 million, but eventually he would want to make one in Canada too.


"It is not a big cost when compared to how much the military spent on helicopters," Al Fakir added. "It would also cost less to make the spaceport."


So far about $250,000 of funding has been secured by Space Launch Canada, but more is needed.


In the mean time, Al Fakir, who is also the head of the Muhammed Institute for Space Science, said he looks forward to visiting the various communities and seeing what the responses will be.


For more information visit Space Launch Canada. Space Launch is a Vancouver-based federal Canadian enterprise dedicated to attaining Canada's first major spaceport.






 

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In order to most efficiently launch something it should be as close to the equator as you can get it (like Florida for Americans) or as close to the pole as you can get it like Russians.

It's an angular momentum issue.
 

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In order to most efficiently launch something it should be as close to the equator as you can get it (like Florida for Americans) or as close to the pole as you can get it like Russians.

It's an angular momentum issue.

Perhaps, India is quite close to the equator but the country is not that efficient. Look at their production for the Commonwealth Games last year. Many countries I'm sure would rather use Canada as a launch pad instead of India. It's business just lying out there waiting to be grabbed.
 

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In order to most efficiently launch something it should be as close to the equator as you can get it (like Florida for Americans) or as close to the pole as you can get it like Russians.

It's an angular momentum issue.

Then perhaps we need to entertain a more northerly site. I would also be more tempted to put it farther inland from the continental plate boundaries/fault lines and all the associated geophysical risk that goes with them. It would suck to lose the spaceport when the Big Quake comes and swallows half the province of BC... :p
 

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Then perhaps we need to entertain a more northerly site. I would also be more tempted to put it farther inland from the continental plate boundaries/fault lines and all the associated geophysical risk that goes with them. It would suck to lose the spaceport when the Big Quake comes and swallows half the province of BC... :p

Exactly. It's not an "efficiency" issue WRT to skilled workers involved (as implied by an earlier poster) ... it's efficiency in terms of the energy required to overcome torque forces generated by the velocity of the earth's earth spin combined with the degree of latitude... you have to overcome parastolsis... when we *can*... it's just that it takes more energy.

The best place to launch is from the equator, where you get to take advantage of the earth's spin, and the second best place is strait from one of the two poles. We have the geographical advantage of being close to the pole, so if we were to set up something on Elsmere Island we could have a very *fine* space port.

Most logical would be to use Alert Bay as the foundation to start construction.
 

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Exactly. It's not an "efficiency" issue WRT to skilled workers involved (as implied by an earlier poster) ... it's efficiency in terms of the energy required to overcome torque forces generated by the velocity of the earth's earth spin combined with the degree of latitude... you have to overcome parastolsis... when we *can*... it's just that it takes more energy.

The best place to launch is from the equator, where you get to take advantage of the earth's spin, and the second best place is strait from one of the two poles. We have the geographical advantage of being close to the pole, so if we were to set up something on Elsmere Island we could have a very *fine* space port.

Most logical would be to use Alert Bay as the foundation to start construction.

Theoretically Alert Bay seems to have some logic on its side, but the practical cost of shipping materials there would be prohibitive. Russia, not on the equator, hasn't really been deterred much is sending rockets up to the sky. Minor geographic and technical details can easily be solved with bigger rockets.

This a great job creator. The sooner the feds start this, the better. Engineers will aspire to stay in Canada and work on space projects than go south or elsewhere.
 

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Theoretically Alert Bay seems to have some logic on its side, but the practical cost of shipping materials there would be prohibitive.
It's on the coast, and the cheapest way to ship stuff is by sea... It costs more to ship grain from the prairies to the coast than to ship the grain from the coast down through the Panama Canal and all the way across the Atlantic to Europe, and Alert Bay is very close by sea.
Russia, not on the equator, hasn't really been deterred much is sending rockets up to the sky. Minor geographic and technical details can easily be solved with bigger rockets.
Russia is close to the poles, which is why their space ports are as far north as they can put it. That's why I mentioned them and the relationship of the aspect of launch sites being efficient if you can be close to the poles if not on the equator.
This a great job creator. The sooner the feds start this, the better. Engineers will aspire to stay in Canada and work on space projects than go south or elsewhere.
Yes it would be a great job creator, but it takes a lot of imagination... too much for Canadians. It's not a simple-minded way to spend gazillions, like photo-ops for G8 leaders in Toronto or the tar-sands.

The last time Canadian leadership showed any vision was when they built the railroad to Vancouver and created Banff National Park along the way.

Can you imagine today's PM having the vision to create a wilderness preserve like Banff?

Today's PM can only react to environmental issues like climate change by thinking, "Oh goody, the ice-caps are melting... let's re-enforce our claim to our part of the arctic so we can pump oil under the arctic sea so we can burn it and accelerate climate change even faster..."

Today's leaders are so zombified that they wouldn't even be able to see that building a space port at Alert Bay would help re-enforce their big-oil puppet-master's craving for arctic oil.
 
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I'm all in favor of real economic activity on the Island but there are a lot of rich NIMBYs and NOPEs living here that are opposed to anything economic except for the low pay part time mcjobs looking after their wants and what we can syphon off from a somewhat fickle tourism. If there was a lot of high paying jobs available they could not get their slave labour.

There is a carbon tax in B.C. How much extra would that add to launch costs?
 

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It's on the coast, and the cheapest way to ship stuff is by sea... It costs more to ship grain from the prairies to the coast than to ship the grain from the coast down through the Panama Canal and all the way across the Atlantic to Europe, and Alert Bay is very close by sea.
Russia is close to the poles, which is why their space ports are as far north as they can put it. That's why I mentioned them and the relationship of the aspect of launch sites being efficient if you can be close to the poles if not on the equator.
Yes it would be a great job creator, but it takes a lot of imagination... too much for Canadians. It's not a simple-minded way to spend gazillions, like photo-ops for G8 leaders in Toronto or the tar-sands.

The last time Canadian leadership showed any vision was when they built the railroad to Vancouver and created Banff National Park along the way.

Can you imagine today's PM having the vision to create a wilderness preserve like Banff?

Today's PM can only react to environmental issues like climate change by thinking, "Oh goody, the ice-caps are melting... let's re-enforce our claim to our part of the arctic so we can pump oil under the arctic sea so we can burn it and accelerate climate change even faster..."

Today's leaders are so zombified that they wouldn't even be able to see that building a space port at Alert Bay would help re-enforce their big-oil puppet-master's craving for arctic oil.

Yes, pols look quite short term these days. Although it is a matter of setting up a base for rockets and getting out of the way. We could do the reverse of scelerotic NASA and let private industry build something first, get customers and then see how big they can get. We would take satellite launching business away from Russia and India quite easily and quickly I'm sure.

We have the money and the tech is old, but the political will is lacking. Playing second fiddle to Americans is our way to date.
 

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Space toruism is going to start they say, to an Incomprehensivle Space Station that will fall to Earth in 2020. Short term and no Canadian involvement. How dull.

Space Adventures to Resume Space Tourist Flights - Tech Talk - CBS News

January 12, 2011 7:55 PM
Space Adventures to Resume Space Tourist Flights

Posted by William Harwood

Russian space agency and the Rocket Space Corporation Energia have agreed to build additional Soyuz spacecraft to carry paying customers to the International Space Station starting in 2013 in a deal announced Wednesday by Space Adventures Ltd. of Vienna, Va.
Soyuz rocket, which will ferry tourists, launches from the Baikonour Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan
(Credit: Space Adventures)
"It's a great indication of the market and the fact that we're able to restart with the Russians," Eric Anderson, chairman of Space Adventures, told CBS News. "I think it's notable this is the first time the capacity for an additional launch has specifically been increased based on the market demand.
"We've got a number of people who have expressed interest over the years who are waiting with bated breath for us to come out with the dates for these new opportunities. So a lot of things are going to start happening as of today." p>
Space Adventures has arranged eight commercial flights to the space station for six men and one woman, starting with Dennis Tito in 2001 and most recently with Guy Laliberte, the founder of Cirque du Soleil, who visited the outpost in 2009. Charles Simonyi, a software developer and entrepreneur, paid for two flights.
But future tourist flights to the lab complex were in doubt because of a U.S. decision to retire NASA's shuttle fleet after just three more missions. NASA has contracts in place to launch U.S., European, Japanese and Canadian astronauts to the space station through 2014 aboard Russian Soyuz spacecraft until new commercial rockets and capsules ordered by the Obama administration become available.
The Russians had been building and launching two three-seat Soyuz spacecraft per year to carry cosmonauts and the occasional tourist to the station. With the NASA contracts, production has been increased to four vehicles per year, allowing the station's partners to support a full-time crew of six. But no additional seats were available for space tourists.
With production of an additional spacecraft , Space Adventures expects to resume tourist visits to the space station starting in 2013. The company does not discuss costs, but a seat on a Soyuz is believed to run between $30 million and $40 million.
"There are four missions that fly to the ISS every year and starting in 2013 there will be a fifth mission added to the rotation," Anderson said. "But the number of seats committed to NASA and Russia and the other partners will remain at 12, so there will be 15 seats (available) over five missions."
Asked if he was confident Energia could safely ramp up production, he said "I have absolutely no doubt at this time based on our due diligence that they'll be able to meet that (demand) and probably more as time goes on."
"The world is growing, there are more and more competitors, there will be in the next decade a number of orbital launch vehicles and I think the Russians will be there alongside the rest of us working to provide access to space that is continuous and available for many more missions."
In a Space Adventures news release, Alexei Krasnov, director of human spaceflight for the Russian space agency, said "we are very pleased to continue space tourism with Space Adventures."
"Also, the addition of a fifth Soyuz spacecraft to the current manifest will add flexibility and redundancy to our ISS transportation capabilities," he said. "We welcome the opportunity to increase our efforts to meet the public demand for access to space."