"Christ Meets Bigfoot" Atheist Ads Coming to a Community Near You!

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
118,316
14,504
113
Low Earth Orbit
Big Pharma being one of the major interests running the government might have something to do with it.

Placebo Effect Regularly Beats Pharmaceutical Drugs

A Wired UK article just told us a dirty little secret that the pharmaceutical drug world would rather keep quiet. That fact is: drugs are having a difficult time beating the placebo effect, and increasingly so. In fact, they're finding the placebo effect is getting stronger in people, making it more difficult for drugs to show any improvement over it. The credit for the increased placebo effect has been attributed to the increase in consumer advertising, which makes many consumers "believe" more in the drugs and their effects.

Because the placebo effect is getting stronger, many widely distributed drugs would have had a hard time getting approval to begin with, if they were tested against today's placebo effect. Many drugs, notably Prozac, have also been shown to falter when compared to placebo - after they're already on the market.

A Saatchi & Saatchi advertising executive explains the key to producing a good pharmaceutical ad: it's in making the association between the drug and other aspects of life that promote peace of mind, like playing with your kids or reading a good book.

It's Madison Avenue type stuff, designed to play on your emotions and specifically, to boost sales. These messages appear to be working because many people keep calling on doctors for more drugs, which is the drug company's number one goal. But, interestingly, the same mechanism also seems to be messing up the new drug approval process for drug companies.

Wired tells us, "The fact that an increasing number of medications are unable to beat sugar pills has thrown the industry into crisis" and that "half of all drugs that fail in late-stage trials drop out because of their inability to beat sugar pills." Eli Lilly's next-generation antidepressants haven't been doing better than a placebo in seven out of ten trials. It wasn't long ago that Merck withdrew its "highly anticipated medical breakthrough" antidepressant for the same reason; it didn't beat sugar pills.

It's interesting because placebo pills are often sugar pills, and sugar is known to depress the immune system for hours after it's taken. So, in truth, drug companies are having a difficult time competing against an immune system depressant.

William Potter, psychiatrist turned Eli Lilly drug developer, found himself baffled by the evidence that drugs he'd long been prescribing were now failing against placebos. So, he started digging around in Eli Lilly's trial database, a database that included trials the company didn't make public and preferred to keep quiet.

Inside that database, Potter found there were tremendous differences in the results of drug trials, based on things like the size and color of the pills, and even where in the world the trial was located.

For example, blue tranquilizer pills have better effects than red pills, even with the same stuff inside. This is the case in all but Italian men, which with whom the color blue is associated with their national football team. And Valium often beats the placebo in France and Belgium, but regularly fails in the U.S.

Other research has found that patients do better with a caring doctor who takes time with them, compared to a non-caring doctor who doesn't bother with communication, even if they are both given the same placebo.

These random factors can sway drug trials one way or the other, yet drug companies aren't required to submit for regulatory review all of the tests they run on a particular drug. They can submit just the ones they do well in and keep the ones that they fail to themselves, even if the factors for "doing well" are as esoteric (and non-scientific) as the color of the pill given, the branding of the pill, the price of the pill, or which country the trial was held.

Fabrizio Benedetti studied the placebo effect on his own, because funding couldn't be found to study something the drug industry considers to be getting in the way of profits.

Building on previous research, Benedetti found that when someone is given a pill, the brain expects change to happen. Based on that expectation, the brain often then starts producing its own pain-relieving medicine, which can reduce pain and even regulate heart and respiratory functionality.

Instead of working to understand how the body can heal itself, drug companies see this, the placebo effect, as a nuisance. In fact, these days, daily doses of immune-depressing sugar pills might cause bigger problems for drug companies than their direct competitors do.

It'd be curious to see what would happen if the sugar pills were replaced with a whole foods diet, or supplementation with placebo herbs like cat's claw, garlic, or other known immune system enhancers. Perhaps, this should become the standard for the testing of pharmaceutical drugs, as testing against substances that are known to depress the immune system isn't really a level playing field, even if the drug companies are routinely failing.

Of course, if this were to happen, far fewer drugs would pass the already flimsy approval requirements that allow for the cherry picking of data and hiding of negative results. And this isn't something the drug industry wants.


Learn more: Placebo Effect Regularly Beats Pharmaceutical Drugs
 

Spade

Ace Poster
Nov 18, 2008
12,822
49
48
11
Aether Island
Petros, would you like to buy some miracle water? Not only can you drink it to cure chronic hypohydration, you can use it as a universal solvent. Please send cheque to Spade, General Delivery, Aether Island!
 

taxslave

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 25, 2008
36,362
4,340
113
Vancouver Island
Thanks Petros. Interesting read. I can think of a few Naturopathic remedies that Big Pharma would not want to put their pills up against as well.
 

Spade

Ace Poster
Nov 18, 2008
12,822
49
48
11
Aether Island
You mean that Palestinian was both a Jew and a Moslem? And here I thought he was a revisit of the Egyptian god Horus. At least we know he wasn't Christian; his message is simply too pacifistic and socialist!
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
118,316
14,504
113
Low Earth Orbit
You mean that Palestinian was both a Jew and a Moslem? And here I thought he was a revisit of the Egyptian god Horus. At least we know he wasn't Christian; his message is simply too pacifistic and socialist!
Is that why we don't live under Christian law?

I can think of plenty of money changers who need a damn swift kick to the ass with a frozen Holy sandal. Same goes for a whack of so called "religious leaders".

This country needs true Christian leaders who actually do and act like Christ did trashing the same people he trashed.
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
118,316
14,504
113
Low Earth Orbit
There are a handful of Aramaic Christians left in Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Turky, Egypt, Ethiopia and on and on but they aren't white. Is that going to be a problem?
 

Spade

Ace Poster
Nov 18, 2008
12,822
49
48
11
Aether Island
There are a handful of Aramaic Christians left in Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Turky, Egypt, Ethiopia and on and on but they aren't white. Is that going to be a problem?

A problem? Is the Pope German?

"Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child."
Rudyard Kipling
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
118,316
14,504
113
Low Earth Orbit
Boy o' boy is he ever German!!!

I have no quote handy but I know a Hemmingway. He bartended my birthday a few years back.
 

Spade

Ace Poster
Nov 18, 2008
12,822
49
48
11
Aether Island
Was that the guy who wrote,"The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists"?
 

Bar Sinister

Executive Branch Member
Jan 17, 2010
8,252
19
38
Edmonton
Are atheists bound to declare their beliefs every time they make a photocopy or drink a cup of coffee? My recollection may be a little rusty, but I don't recall Cliffy or Spade declaring the submission of their posts in the name of atheism.. Am I to assume that they are bible thumping evangelists and all things they do are in the name of their deity?

The examples employed highlight the nature of the horrific treatment that one person can inflict on another for no apparent reason whatsoever. Courtepat's and Virk's killers are especially disturbing in that they didn't have a tangible, underlying motivation other than they're absolute lack of respect for any life other than their own.


Ah, that explains it then. You were merely offering an off-topic observation.
 

Icarus27k

Council Member
Apr 4, 2010
1,508
7
38
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

In ontology, is that even true? Is truth even evidential?

I don't think this has even been decided upon yet.
 

Dexter Sinister

Unspecified Specialist
Oct 1, 2004
10,168
539
113
Regina, SK
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

In ontology, is that even true? Is truth even evidential?
You're over-complicating it. If truth isn't evidential, what basis is there for supposing it's true? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence for reasons of balance. If I claim it snowed last week where I live (and it did) you're justified in accepting that as an ordinary claim based on your own experience of the world, it snows every year where I live and that's common knowledge. But if I claim that last week I was abducted by aliens and whisked away to their gigantic mother ship hiding being the moon where various invasive and humiliating medical procedures were performed on me, you're justified in demanding better evidence than just my claim. That's all it means.