Right Wing Lying Echo Chamber

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When it boils right down to it, YJ sums up the flaw quite succinctly every time he talks about US media.... "You have to watch both sides to be truly informed."

That's not how 'the news' should be, and it's sad that the country has let it slide so far down hill. The news should be just that, the news with no spin, no op-ed unless it's clearly defined as such. But, unfortunately straight news is boring. It rarely riles the blood and engages the viewer. I see very little actual news, with no opinion or slant given, coming out of the US.
 
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Sure, but it's pretty obvious who the biggest and baddest offenders are. There should be no hesitation that anyone with half a brain could see that Fox is this worst of all media liars.
 
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karrie said:
When it boils right down to it, YJ sums up the flaw quite succinctly every time he talks about US media.... "You have to watch both sides to be truly informed."

That's not how 'the news' should be, and it's sad that the country has let it slide so far down hill. The news should be just that, the news with no spin, no op-ed unless it's clearly defined as such. But, unfortunately straight news is boring. It rarely riles the blood and engages the viewer. I see very little actual news, with no opinion or slant given, coming out of the US.
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Actually, karrie, straight news does not have to be boring. I watch Shepard Smith (a self-confessed liberal Democrat) on FOX and he delivers the news with a smile (if and when appropriate) and with solemnity, when so warranted. So does Bret Baer. On these news programs there is no opinions expressed, just the news.

In the corresponding time slots, MSNBC spews hatred and masquarades as "news". If only the loud-mouth know-it-alls took the time to learn what they pretend to be speaking about!!
 
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When your news program has it's own Wikipedia Controversy page, you pretty much deserve 1st Place. In fact, the most important feebleness propaganda comes from them:


A study by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA),[49] in the Winter 03-04 issue of Political Science Quarterly, reported that viewers of Fox News, the Fox Broadcasting Company, and local Fox affiliates were more likely than viewers of other news networks to hold three misperceptions:[50]

  • The belief that "The U.S. has found Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq" was held by 33% of Fox viewers and only 23% of CBS viewers, 19% for ABC, 20% for NBC, 20% for CNN and 11% for NPR/PBS

  • 35% of Fox viewers believed that "the majority of people [in the world] favor the U.S. having gone to war" with Iraq. (Compared with 28% for CBS, 27% for ABC, 24% for CNN, 20% for NBC, 5% for NPR/PBS)


The fact that they have such a rabidly deluded base is what is even more frightening..

A survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press showed "a striking rise in the politicization of cable TV news audiences . . . This pattern is most apparent with the fast-growing Fox News Channel."[41] Another Pew survey of news consumption found that Fox News has not suffered a decline in credibility with its audience, with one in four (25%) saying they believe all or most of what they see on Fox News Channel, virtually unchanged since Fox was first tested in 2000.[42]


Scary stuff. Oh, but yes, I forgot.. stating facts has now become fear-mongering. :roll:
 
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EagleSmack said:
But if you are of the liberal persuasion... wouldn't you automatically call FOX news liars? I mean they are saying things you don't want to hear. You have to do something correct?
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This isn't really about left or right as much as it is about misconstruing facts. If the left misrepresented facts, it wouldn't inherently wrong because they were liberals. Similarly, the conservatism of Fox news isn't actually what's wrong with them. They just deliberately skew facts in order to favour the right. I'm sure MSNBC does the same to favour the left.

But again, it's not simply because one is right or left that is the problem. A responsible republican can come up with a fiscally conservative economic plan without resorting to lying to the public. And if it actually seemed like a good plan, I would jump on that even though I typically don't favour conservatism.

And that is also the same approach that most people believe in as well. But when we are basing our intuition on blatant lies, everybody gets ****ed. Left, right, up or down. And Fox is definitively the worst offender.
 
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Eaglesmack, the problem with the liberal windbags whose main ambition in life seem to be to bad-mouth FOX, which they never or at best hardly ever watched is that they don't know what they are talking about.

I watch both FOX and its counter part, MessNBC. The difference is that on FOX a news program is just that: NEWS. On MessNbc, there is no such thing, with the possible ever so slight exception of Morning Joe, but even the former Republican congressman is turning into a liberal.

Also, on FOX, even the opinion shows are normal; the main thrust of any of the opinion programs (O'Reilley, Hannity, On The Record, and even Glenn Beck) is a conservative/Republican OPINION, while on MessNBC, all their shows, Hardball, The Ed Show, Countdown and Maddow are thoroughly saturated, with the exclusion of everything else, every objectivity, with hatred and denigration of conservatives/Republicans. They call people they don't agree with the "WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD". They call what their opponents say "Psycho-talk". They hardly ever (well Olbermann NEVER) have a guest on their shows with an opposing view. (Well Shultz has, but don't let them speak, and if Matthews ever does, the same thing).

Another thing: FOX opinion shows - at least most of them - have something inspiring, something up-lifting and/or something funny, which is totally alien to MessNBC, unless you find shaudenfraude funny, happy and up-lifting.

But that is just my opinion as one who watches both of these channels. Obviously, those who don't know better.
 
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mentalfloss said:
This isn't really about left or right as much as it is about misconstruing facts. If the left misconstrued facts, it wouldn't be because they were inherently wrong by being to the left. Similarly, the conservatism of Fox news isn't actually what's wrong with them. They just deliberately skew facts in order to favour the right. I'm sure MSNBC does the same to favour the left.
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You're right

But again, it's not simply because one is right or left that is the problem. A responsible republican can come up with a fiscally conservative economic plan without resorting to lying to the public. And if it actually seemed like a good plan, I would jump on that even though I typically don't favour conservatism.

And that is also the same approach that most people believe in as well. But when we are basing their intuition on lies, everybody gets ****ed. Left, right, up or down. And Fox is definitively the worst offender.
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Republicans have not been fiscally conservative since the 1990's. They spent like crazy the six years they owned the Congress and the Executive Office. The Dems came in and continued spending.
 
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EagleSmack said:
Republicans have not been fiscally conservative since the 1990's. They spent like crazy the six years they owned the Congress and the Executive Office. The Dems came in and continued spending.
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True, but again, the one really big money-suck for this country -- WAR -- is something that republicans will always parrot. And it doesn't matter if Obama travels in the most luxurious jet to foreign parts, nothing will ever eclipse that unwarranted expense. I think that despite the fact that Obama still has leanings toward conflict (his major downfall, in my opinion), the Repubs will take all that money saved from cut spending (if they actually do cut spending), and use it to fuel ever-increasing conflict.

It's the worse of two evils here, but as we've seen on the Dems side, they are unquestionably on the right side of social freedoms. Fiscal conservatism is one thing, but social conservatism should be rejected without question.
 
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mentalfloss said:
True, but again, the one really big money-suck for this country -- WAR -- is something that republicans will always parrot. And it doesn't matter if Obama travels in the most luxurious jet to foreign parts, nothing will ever eclipse that unwarranted expense. I think that despite the fact that Obama still has leanings toward conflict (his major downfall, in my opinion), the Repubs will take all that money saved from cut spending (if they actually do cut spending), and use it to fuel ever-increasing conflict.

It's the worse of two evils here, but as we've seen on the Dems side, they are unquestionably on the right side of social freedoms. Fiscal conservatism is one thing, but the stench of social conservatism should never again be accepted in the U.S.
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Yes... but Obama and the Democrats had every opportunity to stop these wars didn't they? Yes... Bush started Iraq BUT the Democrats ran in 2006 on an anti-war platform, Obama came in in 2009. They could have yanked us out of both wars. They pledged to get us out of Iraq. We're still there.

What freedoms are we talking about here?
 
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mentalfloss said:
What a douchebag.
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mentalfloss, your laconic (and by liberal standards ever so wise) post, which followed mine, which exposed Keith Olbermann. You were not quite clear: did you mean me, for exposing Keith Olbermann, or did you, in a rare moment of liberal admission of guilt, mean Keith Olbermann?
 
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YukonJack said:
mentalfloss, your laconic (and by liberal standards ever so wise) post, which followed mine, which exposed Keith Olbermann. You were not quite clear: did you mean me, for exposing Keith Olbermann, or did you, in a rare moment of liberal admission of guilt, mean Keith Olbermann?
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YJ, of course I meant Olbermann. Why wouldn't I?
 
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mentalfloss, in my long years of life, I have ALWAYS found, without exceptions, liberals nothing more than snake-in-the-grass, speaking with forked-tongue (correctly), two-faced, spineless cheaters.

So, why should I not have any doubts about you? Have you given me any reason, ever, to give you the benefit of doubt?
 
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Well I have always considered people to be people. With a mixture of all sorts of ideologies - not strictly based on one end or the other of some political spectrum. Maybe that's your problem.

Maybe.

Take some mushrooms or something - squeegee open the ol' third eye.
 
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EagleSmack said:
You're right



Republicans have not been fiscally conservative since the 1990's. They spent like crazy the six years they owned the Congress and the Executive Office. The Dems came in and continued spending.
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I seem to recall the much revilled (at least in this forum) Glen Beck, saying exactly that over the last two and half year I've had Fox on my programing.
 
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