Religon is not peaceful as they state

[taxslave]

The contraception that the Catholic Church permits is called abstinence. It is far more effective against STD's and pregnancy's than any other form of contraception.

That may be alright for their members but they have no right to try to apply it to the rest of us. If jerking off in the corner is your idea of fun then go for it. Vasectomies work well for many of us and so do condoms and pills.
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Also note, the the Catholic Church also condemns premarital sex, and sex between people that are not married to each other. This doesn't seem to stop those Africans you are referring to. Yet they use the excuse of the Catholic Church to not use condoms. So, you tell me, who's fault is it really. The Catholic Church, or the individuals that choose to only follow and listen to PART of the Catholic Church doctrine?

Would that be marriage as the Catholic church defines it? Or are other definitions permitted. According to Cherokee law if you are living together you are married. Worked for my ancestors long before any catholic came to North America. Works for me.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

... after hearing him tell in a very recent interview of the unbelievably vicious hate filled emails and snail mails he's been getting from those who claim to be the faithful...

That's entirely predictable, but I don't think a case can be made about religion poisoning everything from the reactions of some nutbars. If the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury or somebody in a similar position had sent messages to Hitchens expressing the hope that he suffers a horribly painful and protracted death and fries in Hell forever, there might be a case, but that hasn't happened. And just look at the posters here. There are plenty of believers here of various stripes who are reasonable and liberal and friendly and so on, it hasn't poisoned them as far as I can tell, so the blanket condemnation that religion poisons everything seems obviously not true to me. And the same is true in my real life. Two of my best friends are pastors, one's a Lutheran minister, one's an Anglican minister, and they're married to each other. We've had plenty of spirited disagreements and discussions, but I have yet to detect any poison there, they are among the most reasonable and thoughtful people I know.

 

[Dingus]

That is probably the sanest thing that has been said in this thread....there are those that wear their religion like they would wear fancy clothes....for show...my mother had a term for that years ago "mangeux de balustre"...that may well apply to every religion including atheism...people trying to force down the throat of others their own particular brand of religion or even non religion is the problem.
I have camped, on and of, for the past ten summers with a couple, and I only found out this summer by accident that they were Jehovah witnesses because our interest in common was music and we never ever discussed religion.

Thanks Sleeper - I have my moments. X

Well said! Heck, those who attack you for your POV are kind of pitiful IMO. Let 'em slide off those broad shoulders of yours, if they can reach them. :lol:

What a truly lovely thing to say. Thanks Bcool.
Keep sweet.X

 

[gerryh]

Would that be marriage as the Catholic church defines it? Or are other definitions permitted. According to Cherokee law if you are living together you are married. Worked for my ancestors long before any catholic came to North America. Works for me.

The Catholic Church uses the same definition for marriage as most countries do, Canada being an exception since we now recognize SSM. We are talking about a monogamous relationship between 2 people. If you are Catholic, living outside of this definition and NOT using protection, then don't blame the Catholic Church for your own choices.

 

[Bcool]

That's entirely predictable, but I don't think a case can be made about religion poisoning everything from the reactions of some nutbars. If the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury or somebody in a similar position had sent messages to Hitchens expressing the hope that he suffers a horribly painful and protracted death and fries in Hell forever, there might be a case, but that hasn't happened. And just look at the posters here. There are plenty of believers here of various stripes who are reasonable and liberal and friendly and so on, it hasn't poisoned them as far as I can tell, so the blanket condemnation that religion poisons everything seems obviously not true to me. And the same is true in my real life. Two of my best friends are pastors, one's a Lutheran minister, one's an Anglican minister, and they're married to each other. We've had plenty of spirited disagreements and discussions, but I have yet to detect any poison there, they are among the most reasonable and thoughtful people I know.

Yes. To clarify, I did state that I am still somewhat "wishy washy" about the claim, but every time I try to stay neutral seems like something much like those I pointed out come knocking. :::sigh::: Hanging in though, but will write about them as they are part of my POV.

My late Father-In-Law was a Lutheran Pastor. We got along very well, many discussions often about religion and much laughter. His nickname for me was "Heathen". :smile: My late Mother-in-Law, his wife, was Catholic. We'd have some very fascinating conversations about religion too, as you can imagine. Its impacts, both personal and from their many, many years of religion related experiences. They were happily married for over fifty years.

This thread brought to mind an ongoing discussion that Dad & I had running for a week or more, much the same debate. I learnt a lot, so did he he said :smile:, we decided on 'an agree to disagree' peaceful end to it.

Using just those two special people as examples would shoot anything I had to say right down, thing is, they'd be very annoyed with me if I didn't stick to what I believed and learnt and debated about it. They knew, better than I, the damage radicalized religion can and could do: they saw the house burnings, the driving out of town, etc., in the twenties and thirties in the small, single religion prairie communities. Just as I witnessed the treatment of the Dhoukabour community in B.C. for example, the taking away of their children by the gov. Talked about it with then adults who had been wrenched from their families purely on the basis of their religion. They weren't Son's of Freedom sect, the gov didn't bother to differentiate.

We're not just talking christianity, much as that's the only way some here can see these words to mean. I have a far too long fund of experiences to go into here where religion in so many forms did truly wicked things, just as life does. But if what's claimed about religion is true, then it should be protecting the vulnerable from life's blows not adding to them

 

[gopher]

religion should be a source of comfort for adherents - not an excuse for hatred and violence

Self-labeled ‘Christian counterpart of Osama bin Laden’ allegedly planned clinic bombing


Self-labeled ‘Christian counterpart of Osama bin Laden’ allegedly planned clinic bombing | Raw Story

A man who compared himself to a Christian version of terrorist leader Osama bin Laden was in jail Saturday after being arrested for allegedly helping plot an attack against an abortion provider, according to published reports. An affidavit filed by agents with the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) cited a Facebook page registered to Justin Carl Moose, 26, of Concord, North Carolina. Moose allegedly aided a police informant who he believed was set on destroying a Planned Parenthood clinic. According to the documents, he used Facebook to communicate detailed bomb-making instructions.
"The Criminal Complaint charges Moose with violating Title 18, United States Code, Section 842(p)(2)(B), Distribution of Information Relating to Explosives, Destructive Devices, and Weapons of Mass Destruction," noted Fox affiliate WCCB in Charlotte. "If convicted, Moose faces up to twenty years in prison and a $250,000.00 fine."


-- this character certainly isn't following Jesus's teachings

 

[critter171]

religion should be a source of comfort for adherents - not an excuse for hatred and violence

Self-labeled ‘Christian counterpart of Osama bin Laden’ allegedly planned clinic bombing


Self-labeled ‘Christian counterpart of Osama bin Laden’ allegedly planned clinic bombing | Raw Story

A man who compared himself to a Christian version of terrorist leader Osama bin Laden was in jail Saturday after being arrested for allegedly helping plot an attack against an abortion provider, according to published reports. An affidavit filed by agents with the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) cited a Facebook page registered to Justin Carl Moose, 26, of Concord, North Carolina. Moose allegedly aided a police informant who he believed was set on destroying a Planned Parenthood clinic. According to the documents, he used Facebook to communicate detailed bomb-making instructions.
"The Criminal Complaint charges Moose with violating Title 18, United States Code, Section 842(p)(2)(B), Distribution of Information Relating to Explosives, Destructive Devices, and Weapons of Mass Destruction," noted Fox affiliate WCCB in Charlotte. "If convicted, Moose faces up to twenty years in prison and a $250,000.00 fine."


-- this character certainly isn't following Jesus's teachings

key word here is Should be :3some: To bad its Not. :triplets: