Newsweek Ranks USA Number 11

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That which is instinctual and genetically inherent, to teach the next generation how to survive, succeed and eventually teach the next generation; ..... or to have the education that will give them the skills to survive and succeed in an industrialized environment in which both survival and success are subject to the unpredictable whims of an ever changing societal model.


What's your point? This has been a factor since the beginning of time, it doesn't change the fact that the "student" must be willing and able to learn those skills/info in order to operate in their society. If that individual desires to change societies, they onus is on them (as individuals) to take the initiative as opposed to pressure an entire society to bend.


By removing their children, thus segregating them to a minimal exposure to the complete spectrum of society leaving them ill-equipped in the skills to understand or even survive in real and actual society when they leave the confines of an unrealistic system, they are not only depriving the public system of their equally important input in the functioning of that system they are depriving their children of the very skills all societies need: an understanding of how all aspects of their particular society functions and how to survive in it.



The above suggestion is, in my opinion, entirely academic and philosophically-based. There is no "deprivation" of experiences or inputs, they are just different not unlike how that experience will differ dramatically based on individual perspectives and unique influences.




The more mundane aspect: in BC the Social Credit & then the Liberal parties when in power mandated that all private schools must receive for each pupil they enroll 40% of the amount designated per pupil out of the public education budget. Thus depriving the public system of 40% of its funding in order to pay for religiously based, wealth segregated, philosophically based, etc., exclusive private schools. Schools which may well have a curriculum based on principles in direct conflict with those of the society in which they and their pupils are located and substantially subsidised.


I cannot comment on BC's specific legislation, however, I can say this: All schools (incl home schooling) must comply with a provincially set curriculum. Those private/charter schools that operate outside the public system can augment or place a greater focus on whatever areas they please provided they satisfy the aforementioned requirement.

Further, these private schools do not "deprive" the public system of anything. They receive 40% of the funding that each family has paid through taxes where they could easily make the argument they should receive 100%.

In the end, the families that send their kid to private schools end up subsidizing the public system and not consuming that public service yet they kick in an extra 60% of their school tax for this.




Ah! The "trickle down" or "horse and sparrow" theories once again! "If you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows.", a saying that came about because of the 'Panic of 1896' which was an acute economic depression in the US. It didn't work under Thatcher and Reagan and, to quote another homily at you, the proof is in the pudding as to Bush's trying it yet again, the results of which are plainly visible if you took your blinders off. Is Glenn Beck selling those too BTW?


And if you don't feed the horse, it dies and the sparrows get nothing.

the flip-side of your position (potentially) results in individuals and corp entities outsourcing their operations or physically moving away.

Haliburton is now based out of Dubai, the credit card companies have established many call centres in other nations and places like the Caymans are booming based on the money that is fleeing progressive tax regimes.

Theorize and postulate all you like, but in the real world, money talks and bullsh*t walks and the money, jobs and (nominal) taxes go to benefitting those communities/nations where it resides and not the home nation.


Exactly! So how about no public funding, taxpayers' money, of private schools?


Fine by me, but in the spirit of fairness, those folks that elect to pay out of pocket for a private school be exempted from the muni/prov portion of their school tax... I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you'll find a good reason to punish those families that want to take the private school route, right?



Ding! Incorrect! However prove me wrong - only accredited, politically non-affiliated sources being acceptable of course. Stats, numbers please - not anecdotal chalk board fantasies.

... You guessed wrong!.. What's the consolation prize that we have for our loser Ed?

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-621-m/11-621-m2005024-eng.pdf

An excerpt for you:
"The results were conclusive. The one-tenth of taxfilers who were in the highest earnings bracket provided more than one-half of the revenue from federal income tax in 2002. And, their share of the tax pie has been increasing. In 1990, this 10% of taxfilers accounted for 46.0% of total federal income tax; by 2002, this group accounted for 52.6%. This increase reflects faster income growth and a smaller reduction in effective tax rates for this group relative to others.

At the other end of the scale, the one-half of taxfilers with the lowest incomes saw their share of the tax pie decline during the same period. In 1990, this group accounted for 6.7% of total federal income tax paid; in 2002, this proportion had declined to 4.4%. In fact, this group paid less federal income tax in 2002 than in 1990, in spite of higher incomes."



And increasing the taxes on the wealthiest and decreasing them on the middle class and the poor? The latter two categories being proven to be the major consumers of basic goods with every rare and meagre tax cut; the wealthiest being the lowest per capita consumers of domestic goods at any level of tax rates.


Ding! Incorrect! However prove me wrong - only accredited, politically non-affiliated sources being acceptable of course. Stats, numbers please - not anecdotal chalk board fantasies.




The middle class and the poor of course. They always do. The rich are different. Didn't you know that? Tsk, tsk!


Yes, I am aware. In a society where all are equal and presumably treated as such, some are considered more equal than others.
 
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A sure sign that a poster has lost the argument is when they resort to insults instead of intelligent commentary. Have an nice day and see if you can actually find something intelligent to say in your next post. I'm sure if you really focus on the task you will be able to manage something.

"I always feel better when conservatives are revealed for the idiots they are; but thanks for caring." - Bar Sinister

Well since you led off with this, by your own admission you were defeated early on in the debate since you reverted to insults from the outset. Unless you want to be considered a hypocrite as well.

Have a nice day!
 

Avro

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A good education has many components, one of which is the will of the student... But in the end, exactly what is free in any society?

You are right, the word free is incorrect.

They are (voluntarily) paying for both sides of the equation for the opportunity to access only one side.

They have access to both.




At the root of your argument lies the potential that the marches, protests, etc. should be directed at the tax system and effective use of money.

Actually the root of my argument that no one seems to care about education.

While the middle class gets the sh*t end of the stick, a progressive tax structure ensures that you get punished even harder because of the sin of doing well for yourself.

Depends how you look at it. I see it as I to earn a bit more for myself and for those that need a hand up. I see a hard working person at the coffee shop and don't mind paying a bit more to see that they get basic needs like health care and education for their kids.



In the end, it's the top earners that bear the biggest burden in financing the overall system.

Good, they aren't suffering.



You still don't get it Avro. You have focused on the tax cuts that Bush offered to a small % of the US population but have not even recognized that a highly significant % of the population doesn't pay any (or very little) taxes at all.

Yep, those people living in shacks who pay no tax....bastards.:lol:


The crumbling schools and laid-off teachers are a symptom of available funds.

Really? I had no idea.

The vast majority of the taxes collected are generated from the top earners in society.

Really? I had no idea.

Keep putting more and more pressure on that demographic and the dam will bust and when there are fewer overall tax dollars available

:lol: What a load of BS....yep..those zillionaires sure do get the short end of the stick.

I paid a lot of tax last year...you won't hear me sniveling about it. I have a massive house, a condo in Montreal, a cottage up north on 175 acres of land and in a few days will be heading to Belgium for the Grand Prix.....poor me.:lol:


who do you think will bear the brunt of that?

They already do bear the brunt of insufficient tax collection.

Cut funding to schools and lay off teachers.....crickets....hint at lowering spending on a bloated military....all hell breaks loose.
 
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Bcool

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What's your point? . . . . If that individual desires to change societies, they onus is on them (as individuals) to take the initiative as opposed to pressure an entire society to bend.
What's your's? I said nothing about pupils wanting to change society.

The above suggestion is, in my opinion, entirely academic and philosophically-based.
Even if your opinion were correct, which it isn't of course, IMO, that would make it wrong because?

There is no "deprivation" of experiences or inputs
It's inevitable, its also the main underlying reason why parents bung their kids into private schools, that and bragging rights. Speaking from experience here, having being bunged into a private boarding school at three and a half years of age & spending the next five years there gave me an "upper class, classical education" but a complete lack of social and communication skills with the children of my age group in the 'regular' school system that I was then bunged into. Same for elder sister.

I cannot comment on BC's specific legislation, however, I can say this: All schools (incl home schooling) must comply with a provincially set curriculum. Those private/charter schools that operate outside the public system can augment or place a greater focus on whatever areas they please provided they satisfy the aforementioned requirement.
That is the requirement here in BC also (although they are only required to meet curriculum guidelines if they want to get the 40% subsidy). However, inspection and enforcement is minimally done at best and is very biased towards the private school system in its reporting when actually done. They are, after all, submitting their reports to people/politicians & bureaucrats who enroll their children in private schools.

Further, these private schools do not "deprive" the public system of anything. They receive 40% of the funding that each family has paid through taxes where they could easily make the argument they should receive 100%.
Now you're getting silly.... No offence. :roll:

In the end, the families that send their kid to private schools end up subsidizing the public system and not consuming that public service yet they kick in an extra 60% of their school tax for this.
Where the hell did your "extra" 60% come from? That's nonsensical. They are, if they pay any taxes at all, in effect getting a 40% tax refund.

the flip-side of your position (potentially) results in individuals and corp entities outsourcing their operations or physically moving away.
Greed causes that, no flip side about it. It's greed. As in: Safeway's expanded into Canada many years ago. They make a higher net profit here than they do in the US per capita. They can and do, through the use of a tax loophole lobbied for & gained under Mulroney in the eighties I believe, move all that net profit back across the border where corporate net profits are taxed even less than in Canada and then declare zero net profit or even a net profit loss here in Canada to evade paying any taxes at all here.

Haliburton is now based out of Dubai
Lordy! If you're going to use Haliburton as an example for any of your positions you're arguing with eyes wide shut to reality and unreachable. Faugh!

... You guessed wrong!..
No guess.

Nuh uh!! An excerpt for you.:
"© Minister of Industry 2005
All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise without prior written permission from Licence Services, Marketing Division, Statistics Canada, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1A 0T6.
"

Quoting a 2005 Ministry of Trade document created by that pro corporate Ministry under the guise of being a Stats Can analysis report is more than a bit whiffy, sort of a mini version of a Bush/Cheney/Haliburton WMD analysis report....

Yup! Whiffy! :sleepy4:
 

Bar Sinister

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"I always feel better when conservatives are revealed for the idiots they are; but thanks for caring." - Bar Sinister

Well since you led off with this, by your own admission you were defeated early on in the debate since you reverted to insults from the outset. Unless you want to be considered a hypocrite as well.

Have a nice day!

No insult was directed at you; unless you consider yourself a conservative; in which case you would have been wise not to provoke me, since your first rather juvenile response drew that comment. Ooooo..you're so excited Bcool! Did this make your day?!?!?!

I find it amusing how folks like you get all giddy about these stories. I guess you feel lacking in some way and this is a way for you to feel better about your lot in life..


A bit of advice - read your own responses before you criticize those of someone else.

In any case it is obvious from your earlier comments; particularly the one about Luxembourg that you do not understand what the Newsweek article was trying to show. What the study measures is how well a nation succeeds in looking after its population. It has nothing to do with how one nation compares to another in terms of overall wealth or resources; that is why Luxembourg compares favourably against the USA.

The fact that a tiny nation lacking in almost every resources except people can beat out the USA is somewhat disturbing I must admit. As an American you should be concerned that your society has failed so badly to distribute its wealth and opportunities more evenly. However, you decided to go the chauvinistic route and instead attack the person who posted the thread. I expect I should have posted one of these sources instead - no doubt it would make you happier not to see the original Newsweek headline.

Bulgaria: Bulgaria Lags Behind in Newsweek World's Best Country Ranking - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency

Newsweek magazine ranks Tunisia best country in Africa

Happy now? - My additions to my original post have made it American-friendly.

BTW I mean what I said about intelligent responses. This is my last reply to your comments unless you can come up with something a bit more constructive.
 

EagleSmack

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No insult was directed at you; unless you consider yourself a conservative; in which case you would have been wise not to provoke me, since your first rather juvenile response drew that comment. Ooooo..you're so excited Bcool! Did this make your day?!?!?!

I find it amusing how folks like you get all giddy about these stories. I guess you feel lacking in some way and this is a way for you to feel better about your lot in life..

Back peddling are we? You quoted me, said thanks for caring, etc.

Wise not to provoke you? lol. Are you serious?

A bit of advice - read your own responses before you criticize those of someone else.

I do. Perhaps you should be wise and wonder why you ran to the forum with another anti-Yank thread guised as something else.

In any case it is obvious from your earlier comments; particularly the one about Luxembourg that you do not understand what the Newsweek article was trying to show. What the study measures is how well a nation succeeds in looking after its population. It has nothing to do with how one nation compares to another in terms of overall wealth or resources; that is why Luxembourg compares favourably against the USA.

It is easy for a city like Luxembourg to look after itself. I know exactly what the article was trying to show.

The fact that a tiny nation lacking in almost every resources except people can beat out the USA is somewhat disturbing I must admit.

Didn't they outrank Canada as well? Perhaps you should tend to your own yard before critisizing the neighbors. Or are you satisfied with simply being ranked above the US?

As an American you should be concerned that your society has failed so badly to distribute its wealth and opportunities more evenly. However, you decided to go the chauvinistic route and instead attack the person who posted the thread. I expect I should have posted one of these sources instead - no doubt it would make you happier not to see the original Newsweek headline.

Bulgaria: Bulgaria Lags Behind in Newsweek World's Best Country Ranking - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency

Newsweek magazine ranks Tunisia best country in Africa

Happy now? - My additions to my original post have made it American-friendly.

BTW I mean what I said about intelligent responses. This is my last reply to your comments unless you can come up with something a bit more constructive.

There is every opportunity to succeed in the US. That is why immigrants from all over swarm here, and not Luxembourg.

Distribute wealth? We have the most cared for poor. Free housing, food, clothing, health care. If they b**** about their lot and that they don't have a Lexus, well what can I say. I remember watching an interview of one of those poor people and behind her was a HUGE flat screen TV. That's poverty in the US. If they chose to live in squalor because they prefer to booze, do drugs, and blow their free money on indulgence there is not a heck of a lot we can do about that.

The fact of the matter is you ran to the forum and said in so many words...

"The US was ranked 11. YAAAAAAAY!"
 

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I know exactly what the article was trying to show.
Oh for godesses sake & everybody else's quit it!
How'd you think your insults & twisting of words make you look?
Probably summat like this pretty soon if you don't:



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Bar Sinister

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No insult was directed at you; unless you consider yourself a conservative; in which case you would have been wise not to provoke me, since your first rather juvenile response drew that comment. Ooooo..you're so excited Bcool! Did this make your day?!?!?!

I find it amusing how folks like you get all giddy about these stories. I guess you feel lacking in some way and this is a way for you to feel better about your lot in life..


A bit of advice - read your own responses before you criticize those of someone else.

In any case it is obvious from your earlier comments; particularly the one about Luxembourg that you do not understand what the Newsweek article was trying to show. What the study measures is how well a nation succeeds in looking after its population. It has nothing to do with how one nation compares to another in terms of overall wealth or resources; that is why Luxembourg compares favourably against the USA.

The fact that a tiny nation lacking in almost every resources except people can beat out the USA is somewhat disturbing I must admit. As an American you should be concerned that your society has failed so badly to distribute its wealth and opportunities more evenly. However, you decided to go the chauvinistic route and instead attack the person who posted the thread. I expect I should have posted one of these sources instead - no doubt it would make you happier not to see the original Newsweek headline.

Bulgaria: Bulgaria Lags Behind in Newsweek World's Best Country Ranking - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency

Newsweek magazine ranks Tunisia best country in Africa

Happy now? - My additions to my original post have made it American-friendly.

BTW I mean what I said about intelligent responses. This is my last reply to your comments unless you can come up with something a bit more constructive.

Still waiting for that elusive intelligent response. Keep trying.
 

EagleSmack

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Still waiting for that elusive intelligent response. Keep trying.


Bar Sinister-
BTW I mean what I said about intelligent responses. This is my last reply to your comments unless you can come up with something a bit more constructive

Sorry you could not come up with anything better. I cannot help you there. :)
 

YukonJack

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When I see the same results produced by any other organization/magazine/radio/newspaper, etc., as produced by NEWSWEAK, I might believe it.

Number 11 is really just Number 1 twice.
 

The Old Medic

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You have to understand that Newsweek is an extreme leftist magazine. Any pretense of impartiality was lost with Newsweek over 25 years ago.

Anything that does not promote the advance of socialism, and the complete takeover of virtually all aspects of life by the Federal Government, will be seen by Newsweek as detrimental.
 

Bar Sinister

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You have to understand that Newsweek is an extreme leftist magazine. Any pretense of impartiality was lost with Newsweek over 25 years ago.

Anything that does not promote the advance of socialism, and the complete takeover of virtually all aspects of life by the Federal Government, will be seen by Newsweek as detrimental.

Extreme left? Only by US standards. Newsweek was owned by a newspaper and media consortium called the Washington Post Company. It is no more left wing than any other newspaper chain in the US.

The Washington Post Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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I'm really wondering why was Serbia left out the list? I know we are not Switzerland, and we would not be ranked as high as maybe Greece, but was this just an overlook or something else?Actually, Bosnia, Macedonia and Montenegro are missing too!
BTW, 101th ranking is questionable. Education, Quality of Life, and health is not so much different than Croatia or Romania, not to mention Albania...

Burkina Faso or Zambia, how about Vietnam, KAzahstan, Colombia, belarus, Moldova, Senegal, Ghana, Azerbeijan, Botswana, JAmaica, Uganda, BAngladesh...better than Serbia!?!
Croatia and Bulgaria are somewhat closest to real overall Serbian rankings.