Lohan has a Disease

[Said1]

She is her own worst enemy. It takes the average addict several attempts before they get it, and most tend to screw up royally on the way. I do have some empathy, but like everyone else who is not famous and afflicted with addiction, they have to step up and want to get better. Period. Only everyone else isn't in the public eye.

I don't think she's been working much lately either, has she?

 

[shadowshiv]

She is her own worst enemy. It takes the average addict several attempts before they get it, and most tend to screw up royally on the way. I do have some empathy, but like everyone else who is not famous and afflicted with addiction, they have to step up and want to get better. Period. Only everyone else isn't in the public eye.

I don't think she's been working much lately either, has she?

Look at how much of a train-wreck Robert Downey Jr's life used to be? He has finally cleaned up his act(hopefully for good) and now look at how popular he's been lately! He was always a good actor(the movie 'Chaplin' for example), but his addictions nearly ended his career(and possibly his life the way he was going). He finally was able to keep the demons at bay, and his life is certainly the better for it.

I think the main reason people are not willing to give Lohan more leeway is her attitude. When you get out of Rehab, what makes you think it would be a good idea to go club-hopping the same day? Add to that the fact she never thought she would be in any serious trouble because of this(she mistakenly thought her celebrity would get her out of trouble). If she relapses and breaks any stipulations of her Probation, guess who she'll end up in front of? The same Judge who sentenced her originally, and I will bet that the next time Lohan will get a sentence a lot longer than the original 90 days(which was shorted to 2 weeks).

 

[spaminator]

'Lohan has a disease'

i'm sure she has several stds.:lol:

 

[Kakato]

Addiction is a disease.You cant just stop with most addictions,you have to hit bottom first.

 

[karrie]

I spent part of the weekend running back and forth between the festering cess pool that is my aunty's home, the hospital to talk to nurses about what has been done for her so far and get social workers' contacts, and the RCMP station to get information on having her involuntarily committed.

Yeah, she had a choice that got her to where she is, but, there's definitely a disease that took over at some point when she can no longer move, and looks like a concentration camp victim, but still wants a bottle more than she wants medical care.

I don't know, don't care, about Lindsay Lohan but if she is suffering an addiction, I don't blame her friends for saying she needs help more than she needs condemnation.

 

[Kakato]

A good friend of mine is an addictions counselour and he was telling me how his daughters are users,not addicts,when they hit bottom they will be addicts and he cant do a thing for them untill they do.
I think this go's for any addiction,you have to hit rock bottom before you can be properly treated.

 

[TenPenny]

People can only be helped when they want to.

Addiction isn't a disease, it's a lack of desire to change.

All the weasel words do is pretend it isn't an issue, that way, people don't have to take responsibility for their actions.

 

[Kakato]

People can only be helped when they want to.

Addiction isn't a disease, it's a lack of desire to change.

All the weasel words do is pretend it isn't an issue, that way, people don't have to take responsibility for their actions.

It is a disease,even shown to be hereditary if you got the wrong genes.

These comments remind me of the same people who tell depressed people to "snap out of it".

People dont just say to themselves"I think I'll become an addict".
If they could truly change as quickly as some think they could then they would.
I've done my time around addicts from all walks of life and all kinds of addictions.
I find the people who do check themselves into treatment have hit bottom and do want a change as they know it will kill them not to.

My buddy the counselour used to tell me"heroin wasnt my problem,crack and meth werent my problems,grass and alcohol werent my problems....they were a solution to my problems".

It breaks his heart to mention how his 16 and 18 year old daughters are users and he cant help them untill they hit bottom and truly become an addict,because to do that means you have admitted to yourself you have a problem.
He is one of the best and most sought after addiction counselours in a good portion of Alberta,he has walked the walk and been there and has a fairly high success rate dealing with addicts and helping them recover,he has devoted his life to his version of the 12 steps which can or cant contain religion,depending on who he is trying to help.

I have a lot more respect for this man than most people who claim an addiction is a choice and can be snapped out of with will power.

In his words...Namaste.

 

[TenPenny]

It is a disease,even shown to be hereditary if you got the wrong genes.

These comments remind me of the same people who tell depressed people to "snap out of it".

I don't need your lecture, since you don't know who you're talking to.

Having family members with both, I know all about it the genetic tendencies. You don't have to lecture me about something I live with every day, every day I have to make decisions about who is in charge of my life, me, or something else.

I still have no use for people who refuse to do anything to help themselves. Lots of us get over it. You can, too, if you want to. But only if you want to. If you want to wallow in self pity and helplessness, that's fine. But don't expect sympathy from those who know the truth.

 

[karrie]

there's no one more judgemental than someone who thinks they understand what's going on in someone else's life or head. Just because you've had an addiction problem doesn't mean you know what that same addiction is like for someone else. Your mind and body are not theirs.

 

[Kakato]

I don't need your lecture, since you don't know who you're talking to.

Having family members with both, I know all about it the genetic tendencies. You don't have to lecture me about something I live with every day, every day I have to make decisions about who is in charge of my life, me, or something else.

I still have no use for people who refuse to do anything to help themselves. Lots of us get over it. You can, too, if you want to. But only if you want to. If you want to wallow in self pity and helplessness, that's fine. But don't expect sympathy from those who know the truth.

No lecture,just explaining how it is and seeing how you have family members with the same problem then maybe you should take my advice because if your pushing those same thoughts you just posted then I dont see much help given other then you lecturing them and I hope they ignore that advice and seek help from someone qualified.
And by the way,I dont lecture but I do counsel in group at the request of other counselours.

I've never ever seen an addict thats checked in to recovery wallow in self pity or helplessness....ever.

 

[TenPenny]

Don't need your help or advice or lectures.
Either you want to stop the addiction, or you don't. It's really that simple. You can choose to disagree, but I really don't care what you think. I live it every day.

It's a choice each person makes, whether to give in to the addicition or not. You may be strong enough to fight it, or you may not, but it's still a choice you make. You don't magically wake up, and heroin injects intself into your arm. You don't wake up, and a bottle magically pours itself down your throat. You choose to perform the actions. The only thing anyone else can do is to help you resist, once you decide that's what you want to do. Until you decide that's what you want to do, there's no point in trying to help.

 

[Kakato]

Don't need your help or advice or lectures.
Either you want to stop the addiction, or you don't. It's really that simple. You can choose to disagree, but I really don't care what you think. I live it every day.

It's a choice each person makes, whether to give in to the addicition or not. You may be strong enough to fight it, or you may not, but it's still a choice you make. You don't magically wake up, and heroin injects intself into your arm. You don't wake up, and a bottle magically pours itself down your throat. You choose to perform the actions. The only thing anyone else can do is to help you resist, once you decide that's what you want to do. Until you decide that's what you want to do, there's no point in trying to help.

The old saying "untill you have walked a mile in their shoes comes to mind"

Sigh.

No one ever says to themselves as a kid that they want to grow up and be an addict do they?

I truly hope your not trying to counsel addicts with your philosophy,they wont understand for one thing.

 

[karrie]

no disease will get better without a decision to get help for your symptoms. That fact doesn't make it any less a disease.

 

[Kakato]

no disease will get better without a decision to get help for your symptoms. That fact doesn't make it any less a disease.

Exactly,and allmost every single person checked in to a recovery or refferral program has hit bottom,when there is nothing left but death then the survivors do make that desicion on their own.
The rest usually die.
Most forced into a program dont complete it and will be back.
You have to first admit you are an addict,untill then nothing and I mean nothing will help.
Recovery is all about dealing with your own problems,counsellours will not tell you what to do,they are simply a vehicle to get you to realize you have to do it yourself and heal yourself and drugs do change the way your mind works so it's not an easy process for addicts to even comprehend,once at bottom it's the drugs making the choices,not the individual.

Once an addict,allways an addict,you can never go back,your an addict for life.

 

[karrie]

Most forced into a program dont complete it and will be back.
.

Yeah... that's the frustrating part. We've managed to get my aunty into the hospital for now, and she's said she'll do the program if need be, but we know that doing it this way, with threats and coercion, means she'll likely be back to where she is now once AADAC kicks her out after their whopping 19 day program. Until she's going because she wants to, she'll never change.

 

[patty_lone]

Actors like Meryl Streep agree that being a woman in the film industry is a pressure in it's own right....because it is (although thank god this is slowly changing....too slowly though) a industry for men and driven by men....

imagine being a little girl and growing up within that sphere.
i don't feel bad for famous people who have misadventures, how could I, but I can understand they live in a different reality than ours.....

normal teenage girls feel pressure all the time just because of fashion magazines and their standards....which is too bad....

now imagine having the world looking and reading about you everyday....about everything you do.....especially your mistakes....

unfortunately....she was making money off public appearances in the party scene....which is probably why she is where she is now.....she's not only addicted to booze and drugs....but to fame and attention....

i would imagine that being a dangerous cocktail of addictions...

this is old news.....child stars often go downhill.....look at Haley Joel Osment.....
Mackauley Culkin had a breakdown but is now getting back his rep.....

but lately there has been a lot of young girls going down the booze/drugs/fame trap, and Lindsay represents the peek of that.....

so we might have a problem.....and we might even be part of it.....

it is sooooo easy to mock the famous....not everybody can deal with it....specially children....and she was one of those...and we forget that....

i believe she is sick..(in a way)..i believe she will get better

and i don't even agree 100% that addiction is a disease.....i so....depression is one as well....and i can't see it that way....

i just think the environment she was in led her to a trap.....and now she's in it deep....

all that said......she also seems to have terrible parents.....unlike say...DAkota fanning.....who started acting even younger....and who is growing to be a beautiful talented young actress....

form what I hear lindsay parents are s**t....and now that i think of it.....i'd say that was the problem from the start!!!!!!

 

[karrie]

frankly I think the technicality of 'disease or not' is pointless... dead is dead, and what you call the brain dysfunction that drove them to that end is beyond the point. What you call the road block to getting them help is pointless.

They are sick, desperate, and need help whether we say disease or dysfunction.

 

[patty_lone]

They are sick, desperate, and need help whether we say disease or dysfunction.[/QUOTE]



agreed...the point is that they need help....not our comments...

 

[Kakato]

They are sick, desperate, and need help whether we say disease or dysfunction.

agreed...the point is that they need help....not our comments...[/QUOTE]

The key to them getting help is when people understand it's not something you can just shake off overnight with some bold desicion or will power.