"Behold I stand before thee there upon the Rock of Horeb; and thou shalt smite the Rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so, in the sight of the elders of Israel." Ex 17:6 (Jesus was smitten)
"And it shall come to pass, while My glory passes by, that I will put thee in the cleft of the Rock, and will cover thee with My hand as I pass by." Ex 33:22.
"And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod, he smote the Rock twice: and the water came our abundantly, and the congregation drank and the beasts also." Num 20:11.
I'd bet a month's pay that Chris Angel's a better magician than Moses.
BTW, give me a hammer on a Cat 385 CL and I can make mineral powder from rocks. Or put the bucket back on and I can move the rock from the Artesian well to let the water flow.
Well Gerry, this is supposed to be a discussion, but the guy just posts a bunch of unconnected biblical verses and buggers off, only to return occasionally to tell us we will all burn in a lake of fire if we don't believe his version of the bible. Perhaps if he stuck around to discuss what the point of his posts are, he would not get so much flack. And unfortunately, his threads show up[ in the general topics of the day, so we can't miss them. Besides, I don't appreciate anybody who tells people they are going to burn even if I know he is full of it. He makes it personal. So he can expect people to respond in a personal manner.
It's a free forum.
Like Gerry says, if you don't like Herald's threads, stay out of them. If no-one replied in them, they'd disappear from the menu.
This IS the proper place for Herald to post these topics. If you don`t want to read what he has to post, THEN STAY OUT OF THE Spirtituality subforum.
Bump
If "herald" doesn't mind....this might be a great opportunity to discuss the
motivation of some to enter the "Christian Discussion" SubForum, or
others like it, only to mock and ridicule.
I'd personally appreciate an effort at a civil discussion on this topic, as
we all might learn something.
Bump.
Even if I am an atheist, I like discussing religions, even if it is simply to see if there is any reasoning behind the religions' followers.
Yeah, we might learn something, but not from herald. He just posts bible verses, sometimes adds a notice that we're all going to burn in Hell if we don't buy his message, and disappears. He's not interested in discussion, just in making threatening announcements. That justifiably draws mockery and ridicule.
Yep, but sometimes it also provokes discussion. Some faithful even dispute what herald takes out of context and whatnot.
Well, I mock and ridicule because I know how dangerous this illness is. Levity and derision might steer someone away from it. It is a sickness that preys on the weak and vulnerable.
"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." Nietsche
And don't give me any chat about people killing in the name of religions either, because people also kill for money, politics, revenge, etc., also.
Like I said Ron, there is no room for discussion here.
Then why are there quite a few posts after herald's rhetoric?
Most dogmatists are too far gone to recover but it is the people reading the posts and finding comfort in these silly imaginings that I would like to steer away.
I would add that ridicule did help me get over it. I'm still a dogmatist and always will be but I can counter it (to some extent) now with new tools.
So basically, you are saying you counter dogma with dogma; essentially adding to the dogma. Thanks a great bunch.
Dogma certainly is a condition that is difficult to overcome. We need all the tools we can gather. An ex-catholic once told me that I was the first person he met that gave him hope that there was life after Catholicism, having survived it myself. It has taken me almost forty years of studying comparative religions, spiritual paths, philosophies, metaphysics, quantum physics, psychology and para-psychology to feel comfortable with being me in a world where it is taboo to even know who you are.
You live in a different world than I, I guess. I see nothing preventing me from being who I am,. I suppose laziness keeps some from developing themselves, though. Too lazy to spend the energy to develop.
So? Everyone is at some point.
I seem to recall reading somewhere: "Judge not lest ye not be judged" (I remember, it was Matt. 7:1) or "Judge not and ye shall not be judged" (Luke 6:7). So I guess you are just as much a fool as anyone else, right?
No, we simply have the ability to think for ourselves and question that which is absurd or false.
What makes you think that yours is the one true religion out of the 5000 or so around. Are all the others wrong or is it you that is wrong.
For that matter can you even prove that there is such a thing as god?
In any event being a good person does not require one to proclaim fealty to any being real or otherwise.
Since a fair number of those that claim to represent your god sexually abuse little kids I think I will just stay agnostic.
It's all in the Great Plan, you know.
